Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[Wolfhound]

The rear has LESS armor.
Not NO armor.

The rear armor protecting the engine is only 40mm thick. 30mm AP will go right thru that. Probably, there can be exceptions.

There is even a case of an M-8 armored car destroying a King Tiger in WW2 with a rear attack.

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[BigMoose]

I have a hard time believing a 30mm did "serious damage" to a tank.

The Russians have a ton of reactive armor on their tanks. So popping them with 30mm, it creates a big fireshow, and its a mobility/mission kill. The reactive armour going off are hell on anything nearby. The But your not going to get a turret throw kill with it.

 

[Wolfhound]

The Russians have a ton of reactive armor on their tanks. So popping them with 30mm, it creates a big fireshow, and its a mobility/mission kill. The reactive armour going off are hell on anything nearby. The But your not going to get a turret throw kill with it.

You make a good point but I haven’t seen reactive armor on the rear of a tank. Not that I inspect Russian tanks or anything.

 

[BigMoose]

You make a good point but I haven’t seen reactive armor on the rear of a tank. Not that I inspect Russian tanks or anything.

No reactives on the rear itself, but there are some around the edges, but that 30 was all over the place. It looked like many of the shots were graze jobs that were setting off reactives one some shots. Only a a few of the shots were actually stopped dead, most the shots had some wicked ricochet action. I definately saw a few reactives going off.

 

[Kurr]

 

[rooster]

Warhawks gonna war. After spending 20 years fighting on behalf of Islamist factions backed by Iran now we (america) are gonna go fight side by side with literal nazis.

 

[nra4ever]

looks like Finland better give back the Russian artwork they confiscated while it was on loan.

Russia warns Finland will be asking for 'destruction' by joining NATO

The Nordic country has been flirting with becoming a member of the transatlantic military alliance, with foreign minister Pekka Haavisto today saying its position will soon be clarified.

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[actaeon277]

Maybe countries wouldn't feel the need for a defensive pact, if a certain country near them wasn't acting like a belligerent.

 

[Leadeye]

looks like Finland better give back the Russian artwork they confiscated while it was on loan.

Russia warns Finland will be asking for 'destruction' by joining NATO

The Nordic country has been flirting with becoming a member of the transatlantic military alliance, with foreign minister Pekka Haavisto today saying its position will soon be clarified.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I wonder who the next Simo Hayha will be?

 

[BigMoose]

Right now. I don't think Russia is going to be in a position to threaten anyone. They are loosing so much.
Ukraine is downright giving Russia a hard conventional retreat. Its one thing to loose and leave mostly intact (sans a few things left behind)... its another to be taking 40 to 50% casualties in some units, and massive equipment loses that can hardly ever be replaced. We are seeing

Key Takeaways

• Russian forces claim to have successfully captured central Mariupol, but Ukrainian forces retain control of the port southwest of the city. Russian forces will likely complete the capture of Mariupol in the coming days.
• Russian forces are setting conditions for a major offensive in eastern Ukraine in the coming days, but damaged units redeployed from northeastern Ukraine are unlikely to enable a successful Russian breakthrough.
• Ukrainian forces repelled continuing Russian attacks from Izyum southeast toward Slovyansk and Barvinkove.
• Russian and Belarusian forces are conducting “demonstrative actions” to fix Ukrainian forces around Kyiv in place. However, these units are highly unlikely to launch new offensive operations, and Ukrainian units around Kyiv can likely safely redeploy to eastern Ukraine.
• Western sanctions are likely successfully disrupting Russia’s military-industrial base.

 

[nra4ever]

Maybe countries wouldn't feel the need for a defensive pact, if a certain country near them wasn't acting like a belligerent.

Looking at pacts and agreements will lead you down a rabbit hole that will go back years and years.

 

[actaeon277]

So, looking at Finland, it seems like a WORSE NIGHTMARE, than the country they presently don't seem to be succeeding in.

 

[oze]

Maybe countries wouldn't feel the need for a defensive pact, if a certain country near them wasn't acting like a belligerent.

 

[BigMoose]

So, looking at Finland, it seems like a WORSE NIGHTMARE, than the country they presently don't seem to be succeeding in.

The Finns are well equipped with a largely western equipped armed forces.
Including modern German Tanks...

And about a million riffles stashed... LITERALLY.

Russia at this point really should be afraid of the Finns, and not the other way around.

 

[actaeon277]

The Finns are well equipped with a largely western equipped armed forces.
Including modern German Tanks...

Russia at this point really should be afraid of the Finns, and not the other way around.

Well, I was also looking at their terrain.
It seems to be built for defense.

 

[BigMoose]

Well, I was also looking at their terrain.
It seems to be built for defense.

That too. Also.. they defeated them once before.

 

[nra4ever]

Slick use of false information to confuse the Russians.

 

[Tombs]

Can someone explain why the Ruble is coming back?

They are back to pre-invasion levels. My only guess is that their markets believe the war is effectively over and the world didn't end.

 

[cobber]

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When do they quit the Security Council?

 

[nra4ever]

Can someone explain why the Ruble is coming back?

They are back to pre-invasion levels. My only guess is that their markets believe the war is effectively over and the world didn't end.

Sanctions are not working. Countries are agreeing to pay in rubles.