Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[bobzilla]

But it's OK because there is corruption in the Ukraine.

 

[SEIndSAM]

 

[SEIndSAM]

 

[Magyars]

 

[Shadow01]

Because they make most of the things we use(from all vehicle oil filters to most electronics and consumer goods),and Taiwan makes most of the chips(also recognize by the USA at the UN as part of China).

Changing that dynamic will take a very long time.

If you need or will need it I suggest you stock up now. It would not take much for prices to explode as one event could crash global trade,and then well. I am sure in a decade we could make some of the things we import from China after setting up manufacturing and energy again,and importing cheap labor.

Our grid is not set up for a return of manufacturing not to mention...

Attacks on U.S. electric power grid expected to grow

Service-disrupting attacks on the U.S. electrical power grid are expected to increase in the coming years, a new report by a leading industry group is warning.

www.washingtontimes.com

and countries ranked by amount of electricity they produce(hint the USA produces less than 1/3 of what China does and India likely passed us last year if not they will in 2023 as we are shutting down more "dirty" coal plants).

List of countries by electricity consumption - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The spin in this article is incredible.
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I think it is obvious,but it sure looks like 41.2%(the countries in the poll,it is actually worse if you add in Brazil ect) global population does not support the US,EU9,or Great Britain(10.1% of the global population).
More info at the article. Things most do not realize. For example in China only 6% of the population thinks the US is a better democracy than China itself. It goes on to explore more polls,for example why does the US support Ukraine and the majority of nations polled though it was to maintain western dominance.
The last image I am posting though shows to me the difference in how the media and even social media have covered the war.
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United West, divided from the rest: Global public opinion one year into Russia’s war on Ukraine

New polling for ECFR reveals the West is consolidating – while facing an increasingly post-Western world, in which powers such as India and Turkiye are readier than ever to act independently.

ecfr.eu

You should read it to the bottom. Loads more packed into it. Example 9% of American's(surveyed) think the US will still be globally dominant in 10 years. 13% think it will be China(13% of American's). Many countries covered in that one as well.

Surveys are directed falsehoods. I intentionally lie on any survey calls I receive.

 

[asevans]

 

[Route 45]

Fretting about the amount spent on aid to Ukraine is like a guy bringing home $100,000 a year distraught over a $37 trip to Pizza Hut.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Fretting about the amount spent on aid to Ukraine is like a guy bringing home $100,000 a year distraught over a $37 trip to Pizza Hut.

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Talk about apples to bananas. How does Estonia's GDP compare to the U.S. GDP? What have they given Ukraine? A buck fiddy?

 

[Route 45]

Talk about apples to bananas. How does Estonia's GDP compare to the U.S. GDP? What have they given Ukraine? A buck fiddy?

The only valid comparison is percentage of GDP. Not total amount. Crying about "pallets of cash" is laughable. That ain't how it works.

 

[Brad69]

Don’t forget some of the eastern countries are giving weapons and ammo. Then we are going to replace it with our stuff.

 

[smokingman]

The only valid comparison is percentage of GDP. Not total amount. Crying about "pallets of cash" is laughable. That ain't how it works.

At least we can make back some of it through forcing allies to pay for our LNG,diesel,and oil.
LNG exports last year were up 203%,even with the one terminal shut down for much of it. We are making a killing(as oil company profits prove). Our allies may not like it,but we did not give them a choice.
The price for our LNG doubled in 2022.

U.S. LNG exports both a lifeline and a drain for Europe in 2023

Record liquefied natural gas (LNG) exports from the United States helped soften the blow to Europe from sharply lower Russian pipelined natural gas supplies in 2022, and will remain a vital energy source for the continent in 2023.

www.reuters.com

"This means that the United States will remain the primary supplier of LNG to Europe for at least 2023. This will likely generate even greater revenue for U.S exporters after a record 2022, which totaled $35 billion through September, compared to $8.3 billion over the same period in 2021, U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) data shows."

 

[smokingman]

U.S. says intel indicates pro-Ukrainian group sabotaged Nord Stream pipelines -NY Times

New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials indicates that a pro-Ukrainian group sabotaged the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe, but they have found no evidence of Kyiv government involvement in the September 2022 attack, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Brad69]

U.S. says intel indicates pro-Ukrainian group sabotaged Nord Stream pipelines -NY Times

New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials indicates that a pro-Ukrainian group sabotaged the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe, but they have found no evidence of Kyiv government involvement in the September 2022 attack, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

I remember this Stalingrad battle long time ago.

 

[BugI02]

Fretting about the amount spent on aid to Ukraine is like a guy bringing home $100,000 a year distraught over a $37 trip to Pizza Hut.

No, it is much more like a guy making $100k per year who is in hock for over 300x his annual salary spending $37 on Pizza Hut when he has unmet basic needs for his family that that money could better be spent on

 

[smokingman]

The only valid comparison is percentage of GDP. Not total amount. Crying about "pallets of cash" is laughable. That ain't how it works.

Yea,that kind of thing never happens.

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish

Special flights brought in tonnes of banknotes which disappeared into the war zone.

www.theguardian.com

 

[smokingman]

Ukraine is drafting 16 year olds.
I just watched a video.
He was at his fathers funeral(died 6 days after the kids 16th birthday, fighting on the front)in Kiev when they served him his draft notice...at the funeral.

He went home and recorded himself with his draft card(dated) and his dads memorial cards(dated).

Then hangs himself in his garage on camera, saying he was not fighting for a corrupt government like his father and brother had done, he would die his own way.

I am sure if anyone is interested they could find the video(Rumble) , but I regret even seeing it.

 

[Route 45]

Ukraine is drafting 16 year olds.
I just watched a video.
He was at his fathers funeral(died 6 days after the kids 16th birthday, fighting on the front)in Kiev when they served him his draft notice...at the funeral.

He went home and recorded himself with his draft card(dated) and his dads memorial cards(dated).

Then hangs himself in his garage on camera, saying he was not fighting for a corrupt government like his father and brother had done, he would die his own way.

I am sure if anyone is interested they could find the video(Rumble) , but I regret even seeing it.

So let me get this straight...a 16 year old's father and brother were killed by Russian invaders, and his response is to kill himself rather than to fight the people who killed his family, because the government is corrupt?

I wonder what you have to be smoking to believe this. Rumble weed must be some good stuff.

Smells like ******** to me.

Fake: Draft Notices Handed Out to Minors in Ukraine

The document being circulated online purported to be a Ukrainian draft notice is a fake. This document does not bear any similarity to an official Ukrainian draft notice, it contains the wrong category names and does not contain pertinent information that is part of a genuine draft notice. The term

www.stopfake.org

 

[smokingman]

So let me get this straight...a 16 year old's father and brother were killed by Russian invaders, and his response is to kill himself rather than to fight the people who killed his family, because the government is corrupt?

I wonder what you have to be smoking to believe this. Rumble weed must be some good stuff.

Smells like ******** to me.

Fake: Draft Notices Handed Out to Minors in Ukraine

The document being circulated online purported to be a Ukrainian draft notice is a fake. This document does not bear any similarity to an official Ukrainian draft notice, it contains the wrong category names and does not contain pertinent information that is part of a genuine draft notice. The term

www.stopfake.org

Your links owners. smells like Ukrainian propaganda to me.
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[Route 45]

Your links owners. smells like Ukrainian propaganda to me.
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I'll take your word for it, as I can't begin to compare to your skills regarding propaganda.

I just know that if Russia would lay down their arms, the war would be over.
If Ukraine lays down their arms, Ukraine is over.

No nation is perfect, but I know who the real bastards are here.

 

[Brad69]

People quit loving Ukraine because they are killing Russians.

Ukraine is far from a united country if you look at wars of attrition it’s not a matter if Russia will win its a matter of when.

Look at it like a dog fight we don’t own any dogs in the fight. But we are betting on the one with 3 legs.

Russia does not want any NATO countries right now. they do however want to create a pac with China and Iran and rule the world.