Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[Blackhawk2001]

EVERYTHING is a war between offense and defense.
EVERYTHING.

Something is countered, then a counter to that is developed.
Then the counter is countered.
And so on
And so on.

Every once in a while, something changes the paradigm.
Such as the death of the battleship.
And that was started by Diesel Subs, and finished by Nuke Subs.
With an assist by carriers.

I have to agree. Every video I've seen of attack and transport helicopters being shot down has them flying low-level, usually 100-feet plus above the terrain - which as, if I remember my last threat briefing over 20 years ago - is/was Soviet doctrine. American helicopter doctrine would have helicopters using terrain to mask them from the enemy, as well as using electronic counter-measures. Helicopters ( and their vertical lift replacements) and armored vehicles are going to remain relevant as long as they keep developing tactics and countermeasures to anti-air/armor technology.

Right now, for reasons unknown, but arguable, the Russians are fighting stupidly with both their armor and aviation assets.

 

[Leadeye]

I have to agree. Every video I've seen of attack and transport helicopters being shot down has them flying low-level, usually 100-feet plus above the terrain - which as, if I remember my last threat briefing over 20 years ago - is/was Soviet doctrine. American helicopter doctrine would have helicopters using terrain to mask them from the enemy, as well as using electronic counter-measures. Helicopters ( and their vertical lift replacements) and armored vehicles are going to remain relevant as long as they keep developing tactics and countermeasures to anti-air/armor technology.

Right now, for reasons unknown, but arguable, the Russians are fighting stupidly with both their armor and aviation assets.

It has surprised me that the Russians did so poorly. They over ran Army Group Center in 1944 in a few weeks with much slower armor and air assets, but they clearly knew how to coordinate infantry, artillery, armor and air 80 years ago. For armed forces that lived, ate, and breathed tank doctrine it seems they have forgotten much.

Frunze academy must be teaching some sort of woke tank doctrine these days.

 

[gvbcraig]

So starve or get poisoned.

I bet it’s the same Baba (Ukrainian for grandmother) that was giving the Russian soldiers sunflower seeds to put in their pockets so sunflowers will emerge from their graves, you don’t mess with Baba’s.

 

[Sylvain]

Don’t let the locals give you food…

Two Russian troops dead after being POISONED by Ukrainian buns

Two Russian soldiers are dead after Ukrainians in Izium laced stuffed buns laced with poison - with 28 others now in intensive care as the citizens ramp up their defiance of Vladimir Putin's troops.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Unless you actually liberated their country from a Nazi occupation.

French citizen giving wine to US troops in 1944.

 

[Wolfhound]

Unless you actually liberated their country from a Nazi occupation.

French citizen giving wine to US troops in 1944.

Someone should send those photos to Putin so he knows what liberation really looks like.

 

[Sylvain]

Someone should send those photos to Putin so he knows what liberation really looks like.

Yeah I don't see much Ukrainians waving Russian flags in the streets for some reasons.

 

[KG1]

Putin says he is trying to free Ukraine from nazism. They should be grateful right?

 

[rooster]

Totally unconfirmed reports of Ukrainian marines surrendering in Mariupol

 

[actaeon277]

I have to agree. Every video I've seen of attack and transport helicopters being shot down has them flying low-level, usually 100-feet plus above the terrain - which as, if I remember my last threat briefing over 20 years ago - is/was Soviet doctrine. American helicopter doctrine would have helicopters using terrain to mask them from the enemy, as well as using electronic counter-measures. Helicopters ( and their vertical lift replacements) and armored vehicles are going to remain relevant as long as they keep developing tactics and countermeasures to anti-air/armor technology.

Right now, for reasons unknown, but arguable, the Russians are fighting stupidly with both their armor and aviation assets.

EVERYTHING is a war between offense and defense.
EVERYTHING.

Something is countered, then a counter to that is developed.
Then the counter is countered.
And so on
And so on.

Every once in a while, something changes the paradigm.
Such as the death of the battleship.
And that was started by Diesel Subs, and finished by Nuke Subs.
With an assist by carriers.

Another example, codes and encryption.
There were "unbreakable" codes/encryption.
Then, they were broken.
Then different codes/encryption came up.
then, they were broken.

It's a constant war back and forth.

That's why I get mad when people want to circumvent things like "We MUST make people type in their password on their phone".
(I know, slightly different subject. But I'm on a roll... )
For 2 hundred years, law enforcement agencies had to deal with the 4th/5th amendment.
But NOW. Yes NOW we NEED this.


Another example more on "target" for the thread..
Submarines were actually in danger of becoming obsolete by the end of WWII.
Something people can't imagine.
But it was happening.
And then along comes Rickover and his crazy squirrels running in a wheel to power subs in a new way, and they were not only no longer obsolete, but they almost made the entire surface fleet obsolete.
Then, changes were made to the surface fleet.
Etc.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Just saw the kid Wearing his dad’s suit on the news. I don’t think he said anything…

 

[BigMoose]

 

[actaeon277]

So, if it's $75 to tow my car, what's the going rate for tanks/APCs?

 

[BigMoose]

 

[BigMoose]

So, if it's $75 to tow my car, what's the going rate for tanks/APCs?

An AK and a botttle of booze?

 

[actaeon277]

An AK and a botttle of booze?

I think the value of AKs have dropped from a glut on the market.

 

[nra4ever]

Someone caught red handed. Oops

 

[rooster]

Someone caught red handed. Oops

Should be easy to refute…….

 

[Mikey1911]

Another example, codes and encryption.
There were "unbreakable" codes/encryption.
Then, they were broken.
Then different codes/encryption came up.
then, they were broken.

It's a constant war back and forth.

That's why I get mad when people want to circumvent things like "We MUST make people type in their password on their phone".
(I know, slightly different subject. But I'm on a roll... )
For 2 hundred years, law enforcement agencies had to deal with the 4th/5th amendment.
But NOW. Yes NOW we NEED this.


Another example more on "target" for the thread..
Submarines were actually in danger of becoming obsolete by the end of WWII.
Something people can't imagine.
But it was happening.
And then along comes Rickover and his crazy squirrels running in a wheel to power subs in a new way, and they were not only no longer obsolete, but they almost made the entire surface fleet obsolete.
Then, changes were made to the surface fleet.
Etc.

I never thought of NR as breeding "crazy squirrels running in a wheel", but . . .

 

[bobzilla]

I never thought of NR as breeding "crazy squirrels running in a wheel", but . . .

Squirrels, atoms. Both can get out of control pretty quick in a sealed can.

 

[actaeon277]

I never thought of NR as breeding "crazy squirrels running in a wheel", but . . .

Squirrels, atoms. Both can get out of control pretty quick in a sealed can.

When the coners (non-nukes, people in the "cone" of the sub) came aft for sub quals (dolphins) we told them the whole nuclear program was just a smoke screen to cover our secret powerful squirrels or hamsters.
It was simpler to explain. And if they were smart, they'd figure out the lie in a minute or so.