I'd be more worried if Janie's got a gun.
Dont forget about Joe with that gun in his hand... Jimi Hendrix
I'd be more worried if Janie's got a gun.
Then stop dropping doughnuts
Supposedly they destroy (or don't keep records of) the background check information. However, FFLs are required to keep their logs (4473s, bound book) for 20 years. Fedgov maintains there's no "digital copy" at the headquarters but the paper copies that all gun shops are required to keep are there in hard copy format for, what seems like, eternity.Isn`t it illegal to keep a list of gun purchasers? Doesn`t the ATF have to destroy their lists after a prescribed period? Otherwise, it`s a registration list suitable for confiscating.
Supposedly they destroy (or don't keep records of) the background check information. However, FFLs are required to keep their logs (4473s, bound book) for 20 years. Fedgov maintains there's no "digital copy" at the headquarters but the paper copies that all gun shops are required to keep are there in hard copy format for, what seems like, eternity.
If you've ever seen the most American movie ever made, aka Red Dawn, you'll note the part where the Col. tells his subordinate to check the gun shop for form 4473 because it's a list of who owns guns in town. Even back in 1984 they got it. It's a shame we don't get it anymore. Especially with the NSA keeping all those records out in Utah.
They do. Or, in some cases, they can be destroyed with authorization. I'll let you guess which happens most frequently.What happens to all of those 4473's that a dealer is holding for required records, if the dealer ceases to have their license (like retires, whatever)? It is my understanding that all those 4473 copies go to the feds for, well....safe keeping maybe)?
What happens to all of those 4473's that a dealer is holding for required records, if the dealer ceases to have their license (like retires, whatever)? It is my understanding that all those 4473 copies go to the feds for, well....safe keeping maybe)?
I remember those days, and it wasn't that long ago. It was all a result of the paranoia of '68. Funny how those requirements never "solved" any problem, but the antis keep screaming for them.How many remember when if you bought a handgun Indiana , you had to complete a form for the state and a copy of it went to your local police department or sheriff? We also had "universal" background checks then and a waiting period (7 days?).
I wonder how large FFLs that use electronic 4473s deal with this.However, FFLs are required to keep their logs (4473s, bound book) for 20 years. Fedgov maintains there's no "digital copy" at the headquarters but the paper copies that all gun shops are required to keep are there in hard copy format for, what seems like, eternity.
(this was several years ago by the way)
How many remember when if you bought a handgun Indiana , you had to complete a form for the state and a copy of it went to your local police department or sheriff? We also had "universal" background checks then and a waiting period (7 days?).
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First Handgun I bought, 1977 .....
Like all govt docs there's a push to get away from hard copies and move toward, as you implied, easily hacked electronic databases. I have no idea what Gander or others do. I suppose they'd rather have electronic layers of redundancy since there's less for their hourly employees to lose/destroy/etc.You suppose there's some clerk at GM corporate whose job it is to print out all of the 4473s from every GM store and put the hard copies in a binder?
Everybody wants to be a threeper till it's time to do threeper $#!t. Gun counter bad @$$es are a lot like keyboard commandos. "Yeah, I told that ATF dude where to stick his audit." (Insert Adam Sandler's bus driver here. "No ya didn't.")According to the guy at fourguns (this was several years ago by the way) it didnt matter what shape the documents were in said he would soak them all down till they were ruined then hand them over. Till them there shop flooded.
The police or rather fta get a copy of or can get a copy of the sales order which bears the serial number of the gun. Guns have been registered this way for years you just didn't know.
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