it shines in noticeable less recoil, correct ?
It does have less recoil, but to most folks the 308 doesnt have enough kick to be detrimental in anyway, but when it comes to recoil less is always better, so its a win.
it shines in noticeable less recoil, correct ?
@natdscott or vette - all the Highpower guys like it, what's your experience? I have none, I'm only repeating what I've been told.
John, I would only point out that Highpower guys can be every bit the fanbois of yore that everyone else is; in this case, it is made all the more true because of Dennis' involvement in it, it's namesake, and the fact that Highpower is often toward the cutting edge of developmental cartridges (at least relative to the general public).
The cartridge is great. I get that. It is legitimately--and purposefully--better in design than the 6.5-08 Winchester (bastardized into the .260 Rem) ever was.
It is NOT the first of it's kind, given that 6.5 Arisaka, in a thicker casing and with modern powders, will easily accomplish Creed levels. That, and the 6.5 Swiss even had a sharper shoulder angle. 6.5 SLR, 6.5x47 Lapua...etc. etc....
But what Creed HAS is the best of everything in modern design, standardized (but also proprietary) reamers, the best components, and maybe most importantly the financial backing and/or corporate cooperation of the likes of Hornady, Creedmoor Sports, & Pacific Tool & Gauge. None of the other cartridges or companies can claim that laundry list of success, and what do you know? They aren't.
Incidentally, if you combine the fact that the Creedmoor has mostly only been chambered in rifles with a bent toward precision, and that the market segment most interested in it is almost entirely devoted to the pursuit of precision, you have a winning perception. If you had introduced the 6mm BR in a Remington 710, maybe it wouldn't have seen the success that it has?
None of the above should be taken as slanderous to the actual performance of the cartridge. I think it is wonderful in it's own right. It is not a -284, -06, or Win Mag, but it wasn't intended to be. It seems that it was intended to dig up, kill, and rebury .260, and put at least a couple stakes in the heart of -47 Lapua. Given that Lapua is now producing SR brass in the Creed THEMSELVES...well, I would say that the death of the -47 is almost a forgone conclusion in the US.
Now in regards specifically to the .308 v. Creed discussion here: there's just not a compelling reason for the OP to choose the Creedmoor EXCEPT for recoil, and even that is not going to be extremely significant.
Frankly, the OP does not sound extremely educated on the matter (thus the nature of their questions here), does not sound like a handloader, does not sound like they have extremely high expectations (as they stated), and I'm guessing here, but it sounds like they'd like to shoot more VOLUME of fire on the plinking target range than fire lower volume at greater PRECISION. Ammo is expensive for the Creedmoor.
And gosh, since the .308 can easily shoot groups in the Teens and Twenties on it's own, I can't see where the Creed can be said to best it in precision anyway. Neither one are a PPC.
That's what I think. I'd go with Creed, but the OP and I have different requirements of rifle platforms, I think you'd agree.
-Nate
So I ran the numbers using Winchester's Ballistic App: Sight-in: 100yd, crosswind 10mph, @500yds: 6.5 Creedmoor - Drop 54.6", Drift 15.6", 308 Win - Drop 53.8", Drift 19". So is the 6.5 really flatter shooting than the 308?
Yes, it is flatter... if you shoot far enough. The thing that gets lost in the long range shooting craze is that the distance you need to shoot to begin to see the difference between many of the new, popular cartridges and the old standbys (or the difference between heavy bullets vs. normal weight ones for that matter) is much farther than the average shooter is likely to shoot.
...and one of my favorite gun-guy/gunrag untruths are the comparisons sometimes drawn between something like 7.62mm Ball, and a super-blast'em-flatter VLD in the new hot cartridge. Well sure. 25+ years more technology in the bullet's design will---in fact---widen the perceived gap between an 'old standby' and whatever cartridge is now the flavor of the week.
-Nate
6.5 cr recoil a lot less then the 308 ?
what size scope would be ideal for 150 yards ? Not trying to win any competitions, just wondering what the best size would be for seeing a target that far
...and one of my favorite gun-guy/gunrag untruths are the comparisons sometimes drawn between something like 7.62mm Ball, and a super-blast'em-flatter VLD in the new hot cartridge. Well sure. 25+ years more technology in the bullet's design will---in fact---widen the perceived gap between an 'old standby' and whatever cartridge is now the flavor of the week.
-Nate
Ran a 6.5 a few weekends ago. Less recoil than my .308 and it was a joy to shoot.
If I was building a range toy that would be my choice.
That was a very impressive rifle, and a pleasure to shoot.Told you you'd like it.
I have never understood the concept of the "range toy".
Even my specialized match rifles could be pressed into service with great effect as defensive firearms at any time. Even my single shot Palma gun.
I purchase, build, and select calibers with that ultimate use always in the back of my mind.
Maybe I am just too old.
Cabelas is running a sale on the Savage 12FV again. It's available in several chamberings including .308 and 6.5 Creedmore. $419 less $100 in-store discount and $100 mail-in rebate. Hard to beat $219 for a heavy barreled varminter with the accu-trigger. If I didn't already have three of them, I'd be ordering.
If it's just a range toy why not a .22 or something smaller centerfire like a .223?