R' Ari Lamm on Hanukka and current events

[GIJEW]

https://nypost.com/2020/12/09/why-the-cultural-elite-truly-despises-hanukkah/

Insightful commentary on our culture war

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

https://nypost.com/2020/12/09/why-the-cultural-elite-truly-despises-hanukkah/

Insightful commentary on our culture war

Very good artical.. its also parallels the growing hate by elites of Christianity since its beginning is impossible to deeply tied to Judaism.

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[JettaKnight]

Well, it's not even a high holiday, so...

And starting a war on Hanukkah in NYC won't end well.



I read Sarah Prager's article that Ari cites as proof of the war - Catholic mother, Jewish father, raised Unitarian Universalist, became a lesbian - no wonder she's a hot mess. But I didn't see anywhere in the article that she says it's bad, just that she doesn't observe it (Gay Pride month is what she celebrates).

So with that, the main author, Ari Lamm, really only has a dead Christopher Hitchens to prop up in his "war against Hanukkah" - and he hated all religion.







And if Jews who don't really believe in YHHW give up their traditions, so what? I'm fine with non-Christians ignoring Xmas.

 

[HoughMade]

I buddy of mine is conservative (religiously, not politically) and very observant. He said that once the kids moved out of the house, Hanukkah pretty much wasn't a thing. He keeps the High Holy Days, but doesn't spin the dreidel anymore.

 

[JettaKnight]

Maybe they should just angrily retort, "It's Happy Hanukkah!" anytime someone says "Happy Holidays".

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

It seems that religion of any kind are being attacked more and more.

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[HoughMade]

It seems that religion of any kind are being attacked more and more...

Only the ones that form the foundation of Western Civilization.

 

[jamil]

Well, it's not even a high holiday, so...

And starting a war on Hanukkah in NYC won't end well.



I read Sarah Prager's article that Ari cites as proof of the war - Catholic mother, Jewish father, raised Unitarian Universalist, became a lesbian - no wonder she's a hot mess. But I didn't see anywhere in the article that she says it's bad, just that she doesn't observe it (Gay Pride month is what she celebrates).

So with that, the main author, Ari Lamm, really only has a dead Christopher Hitchens to prop up in his "war against Hanukkah" - and he hated all religion.







And if Jews who don't really believe in YHHW give up their traditions, so what? I'm fine with non-Christians ignoring Xmas.

It's one thing for non-religious people to be disinterested in religious traditions, but when they actively seek to secularize society through political correctness or coercive means, I think religious people who like those traditions have a legitimate gripe. You can recognize legitimate disinterest by observing people not caring. You can recognize activism by observing people trying to make the world behave more like them.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

Only the ones that form the foundation of Western Civilization.

True that

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[JettaKnight]

It's one thing for non-religious people to be disinterested in religious traditions, but when they actively seek to secularize society through political correctness or coercive means, I think religious people who like those traditions have a legitimate gripe. You can recognize legitimate disinterest by observing people not caring. You can recognize activism by observing people trying to make the world behave more like them.

True, and America is becoming post-Christian, but the author fails to make his point.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

True, and America is becoming post-Christian, but the author fails to make his point.

It can lead to only one conclusion.. if they truly didn't have a insidious agenda, they would be content to live and let live... instead they are bent on stamping out Christianity and any other religion that leads to the western way of life. That is where the true agenda lies.. to stomp out this republic and religion was a common thread that bound a majority of this country together so by cutting that thread they are able to divide and weaken the moral fabric, this is closely tied with endoctrinating kids in schools to not be able to think outside the hive mind.. even worse marx, khrushcev and some others said this is exactly how they would take over America. Of course these FACT are left out but instead taught in a context of dismantling America. Believe in God or not, it was a cornerstone that made Americans belong to a brotherhood and work for something bigger than themselves.

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[JettaKnight]

It can lead to only one conclusion.. if they truly didn't have a insidious agenda, they would be content to live and let live... instead they are bent on stamping out Christianity and any other religion that leads to the western way of life. That is where the true agenda lies.. to stomp out this republic and religion was a common thread that bound a majority of this country together so by cutting that thread they are able to divide and weaken the moral fabric, this is closely tied with endoctrinating kids in schools to not be able to think outside the hive mind.. even worse marx, khrushcev and some others said this is exactly how they would take over America. Of course these FACT are left out but instead taught in a context of dismantling America. Believe in God or not, it was a cornerstone that made Americans belong to a brotherhood and work for something bigger than themselves.

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OK, this this thread is no longer about the article and the supposed "war on Hanukkah", and now just a general Christianity is under attack, with some "socialism is bad" thrown in for good measure.



Carry on. (I certainly can't disagree, but I don't have anything to add.)

 

[GIJEW]

OK, this this thread is no longer about the article and the supposed "war on Hanukkah", and now just a general Christianity is under attack, with some "socialism is bad" thrown in for good measure.



Carry on. (I certainly can't disagree, but I don't have anything to add.)

You just missed the point. The "war on Hanukka" was presented as another example of leftist atheists undermining religion in order to dominate the country's culture--particularly since Hanukka is about a rebellion to defend freedom of religion

TFT and Jamil spelled it out for you

 

[jamil]

True, and America is becoming post-Christian, but the author fails to make his point.

The author did fail to make the point. But if we're being honest, when there's something true in the argument we might have to make the point for them.

 

[jamil]

It's okay to say "Happy Holidays". There are non-religious people in the world who still like Christmas, but don't really think about the religious aspect. There are also people who feel that they want to include all faiths and might say "Happy Holidays" just to apply it to everyone who celibates a holiday. If that bothers you, you should probably only visit people of your faith, and only do business with people of your faith so that you'll never hear "Happy Holidays" in place of your preference.

It's okay to say "Merry Christmas", or "Happy Hanukka". There are religious people in the world who celebrate the holiday as a religious tradition and they prefer to recognize it as religious. It doesn't hurt anyone to hear either one. If you're triggered you probably should stay home, indoors, and never come out because the world is too harsh for you.

It's not okay to disparage or harass or actively seek to make society bend to your will. Those people are activist *******s and should be mocked and scoffed at with regularity.

 

[GIJEW]

I buddy of mine is conservative (religiously, not politically) and very observant. He said that once the kids moved out of the house, Hanukkah pretty much wasn't a thing. He keeps the High Holy Days, but doesn't spin the dreidel anymore.

On the Jewish calendar Hanukka is a minor holiday. Dreidels/s'vivonim are now just a way to get children engaged. The historical connection is that when the greco/syrians declared studying scripture to be a capital offense, those tops were used a cover, to say they were just gambling, if a group of soldiers came to investigate a group discussing oral law

 

[JettaKnight]

You just missed the point. The "war on Hanukka" was presented as another example of leftist atheists undermining religion in order to dominate the country's culture--particularly since Hanukka is about a rebellion to defend freedom of religion

TFT and Jamil spelled it out for you

I didn't miss the point: The author failed to make the case. Sure, it might be true, but the author showed no evidence. Just because he says it, doesn't make it true.



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