Primers

[indyblue]

Brian’s surplus in Kokomo had multiple types of LPP in stock on Monday. Federal and CCI I think both regular and magnum.

No large rifle primers though. Haven’t seen them in awhile.

Oops typed that wrong I meant LRP’s

 

[BugI02]

Brian’s surplus in Kokomo had multiple types of LPP in stock on Monday. Federal and CCI I think both regular and magnum.

No large rifle primers though. Haven’t seen them in awhile.

I saw some LRP at OGCA last weekend, but priced at $110 to $140 per 1000

Didn't need any that bad

 

[dieselrealtor]

CCI #500 spp $335 shipped for 5000

CCI SP No. 500 Primers Free Shipping & Haz - 5000ct - American Reloading

CCI Small Pistol No. 500 Primers OEM Packaging due to Availability Boxer, Non Corrosive Free Shipping & Hazmat

americanreloading.com

 

[dieselrealtor]

CCI #500 spp $335 shipped for 5000

CCI SP No. 500 Primers Free Shipping & Haz - 5000ct - American Reloading

CCI Small Pistol No. 500 Primers OEM Packaging due to Availability Boxer, Non Corrosive Free Shipping & Hazmat

americanreloading.com

Sold out, I believe they had 180 cases of 5000 earlier today

 

[Gunmetalgray]

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lockedloaded.com

$60 for 1000

Don't know what they charge for shipping or hazmat.

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[dieselrealtor]

CCI #500 spp $335 shipped for 5000

CCI SP No. 500 Primers Free Shipping & Haz - 5000ct - American Reloading

CCI Small Pistol No. 500 Primers OEM Packaging due to Availability Boxer, Non Corrosive Free Shipping & Hazmat

americanreloading.com

in stock again, 72 at time of posting

 

[indyblue]

in stock again, 72 at time of posting

For .07 a peice, had to get some.

I about kicked myself for not getting them yesterday.

 

[Creedmoor]

For .07 a peice, had to get some.

I about kicked myself for not getting them yesterday.

50 BMG primers when availble are over a buck a piece.

 

[Brian's Surplus]

We have sold over a million primers in the last 3 days. While I have some more coming in sometime around early November that have already been allocated at current prices, I have no idea what future prices will be like...

We still have primers on the shelf, but they sell as fast as we put them out. We currently have a decent amount of small pistol and we are getting low on small rifle. We are sold out of large rifle (they did not last long when we had them). We have a few large pistol, and I think we are out of 209 primers (we might have 1,000 left).

We have every size except large rifle coming in on the next big shipment (it's possible we will get some, but I doubt it). I may begin to put limits on them again when we start to get low. If you are going to make a trip over, you can call ahead to inquire about inventory levels and we can hold them for a day or 2 until you can come get them.

 

[bwframe]

I'm fearing that the primer manufacturers are quite happy with the current price structure.

Why would they ramp up production when their keeping demand high doubles or triples past profit margins?

The ammo manufacturers used to be our friends. Shooters and hunters, just like their customer. Aren't they all owned by big conglomerate corporations now?

 

[Brian's Surplus]

I'm fearing that the primer manufacturers are quite happy with the current price structure.

Why would they ramp up production when their keeping demand high doubles or triples past profit margins?

The ammo manufacturers used to be our friends. Shooters and hunters, just like their customer. Aren't they all owned by big conglomerate corporations now?

With Vista Outdoors (CCI, Federal, HEVI-Shot, Remington, Speer, etc., etc.) being sold to Michal Strnad for $1.9 billion, the future of the industry is very much uncertain. I'm still not sure if this development is good or bad.

 

[BE Mike]

I think the appearance of foreign primers, with much lower cost, are the biggest factor in bringing down the prices.

 

[Creedmoor]

I think the appearance of foreign primers, which much lower cost, are the biggest factor in bringing down the prices.

Some of the cheapest primers that were availible a few years back were Wolf and S&B at $19.99 or less per 1,000

 

[BugI02]

With Vista Outdoors (CCI, Federal, HEVI-Shot, Remington, Speer, etc., etc.) being sold to Michal Strnad for $1.9 billion, the future of the industry is very much uncertain. I'm still not sure if this development is good or bad.

From a pricing standpoint, Brian, it is usually bad. The purchasing corporation usually wants to wring as much profitability out of the purchase as possible in order to recoup the cost of the aquisition

It might have a silver lining if the new owner is able to increase production, but I don't see any likelihood of price competition given the pace and scale of government purchases

 

[Bosshoss]

I'm fearing that the primer manufacturers are quite happy with the current price structure.

Why would they ramp up production when their keeping demand high doubles or triples past profit margins?

The ammo manufacturers used to be our friends. Shooters and hunters, just like their customer. Aren't they all owned by big conglomerate corporations now?

I confused I've been reading in the UAW Strike thread that many don't have any problems with the auto makers making record profits(I don't have any problem with them making profits) but a problem with the workers wanting a raise that they haven't gotten in 15 years.
Now the ammo makers are making big profits and we are wanting cheaper prices like we had a few years ago? How is this any different.
The ammo makers are not our friends they are a business that likes making money.

 

[bwframe]

I confused I've been reading in the UAW Strike thread that many don't have any problems with the auto makers making record profits(I don't have any problem with them making profits) but a problem with the workers wanting a raise that they haven't gotten in 15 years.
Now the ammo makers are making big profits and we are wanting cheaper prices like we had a few years ago? How is this any different.
The ammo makers are not our friends they are a business that likes making money.

That's a very good point, my friend. Also one of the reasons you and I haven't crossed paths much in recent years.

I have a lot of silly excuses for not shooting often, much less competing. A not as silly excuse is the replacement cost for my stock of reloading components.

On top of components double/tripling in cost, affecting my own wallet, I'm pretty big on not financially supporting those that don't support me.

Nothing wrong with making a profit. The primer manufacturers just won't make it off of me, until they make an effort to moderate their pricing to better accommodate the customer that turned them into the large industry that they are.

I'm totally happy to support the companies making 50-75% more than pre-panic times.

It brings up the age old argument of whether you make your better profit by volume or high pricing? I guess we will see.

The same as the UAW will see, right? Think they'd be back to work now, if they bargained a 50-75% raise?

 

[gregkl]

I confused I've been reading in the UAW Strike thread that many don't have any problems with the auto makers making record profits(I don't have any problem with them making profits) but a problem with the workers wanting a raise that they haven't gotten in 15 years.
Now the ammo makers are making big profits and we are wanting cheaper prices like we had a few years ago? How is this any different.
The ammo makers are not our friends they are a business that likes making money.

At the risk of sounding socialist(I'm not, I was the president of the Adam Smith club in college. Look up Adam Smith if you don't know of him), I have a problem with the record profits the car makers are enjoying.

Because.... as their profits increase, the Tier 1, 2 and 3 suppliers profits dwindle. We are expected to reduce our piece prices 3-5% for at least the first 3-4 years of production. And no, after that we cannot increase prices. We are stuck for the rest of the model run to sell them parts at a significant discount. Then when the part goes to service and our manufacturing costs increase substantially, we are forced to continue to sell to them at the last production piece price they had.

I don't recall ever seeing the next model year coming out with a 3-5% price reduction.

I had gone on and on about the hierarchy of the automotive tier system, but I decided not to.

As far as primers, for me it is purely ROI. I don't subscribe anymore to the "I like to reload, it's a hobby so I don't care if I'm spending hours on the bench" mentality. I look at my time in terms of opportunity costs. And reloading does not provide the ROI I need, especially since I was only loading 9 mm on a single stage press.

The hours spent on the bench can be spent repairing small engines (which I do enjoy) which earns me more money than what I saved loading my own 9 vs factory stuff.

I have sold a lot of my reloading stuff and still have some more items to sell, but I'm cutting and running.

I don't think I'll ever get back into reloading but if I did, I'd go progressive anyway.

 

[dieselrealtor]

Where is most powder made?

 

[Creedmoor]

Where is most powder made?

Earth on dry land.

 

[Brian's Surplus]

Where is most powder made?

The main exporting countries of Gunpowder in 2021 were United States (US$93.2M), Canada (US$77.6M), and Belgium (US$44.5M). In the same year, the main importing countries of Gunpowder were United States (US$133M), France (US$44.3M), and Germany (US$36.4M).
These are mostly for factory production.

As far as what we sell to reloaders, many popular powders are made in:
The US,
Australia,
Sweden,
Belgium,
Canada and
Finland, to name a few.