Pillow fight at West Point?

[9mmfan]

West Point superintendent takes responsibility for ritual pilow fight that turned bloody

I fail to see how this is a way for future militay leaders to act.
Maybe some Military Graduates can give me some insight.

 

[actaeon277]

West Point superintendent takes responsibility for ritual pilow fight that turned bloody

I fail to see how this is a way for future militay leaders to act.
Maybe some Military Graduates can give me some insight.

They're still young.
They still like to have fun.
Things got out of hand.

They don't turn into robots you know.

 

[Bfish]

Sounds like they allowed it to get a little too competitive and bad choices were made, and or poor tradition gone wrong for many reasons I could imagine. Hopefully the tradition doesn't go away and it's just dialed in for next year.

 

[iChokePeople]

There are many traditions in the service that would not be viewed in a positive way by outsiders. Nothing particularly shocking or unusual about this one. pretty mild, imho.

 

[churchmouse]

There are many traditions in the service that would not be viewed in a positive way by outsiders. Nothing particularly shocking or unusual about this one. pretty mild, imho.

Yes sir.

 

[actaeon277]

You go to war, you don't want to take someone can't take a little blood.

 

[9mmfan]

Traditions I understand but when heavy objects are put in said pillows and noses are broken and stitches required or when someone is knocked unconscious isn't that a bit to far?
When similar behavior is done in college fraternitis to freshmen it's called hazing and generally frowned upon.

 

[actaeon277]

Traditions I understand but when heavy objects are put in said pillows and noses are broken and stitches required or when someone is knocked unconscious isn't that a bit to far?
When similar behavior is done in college fraternitis to freshmen it's called hazing and generally frowned upon.

Things always go to far, and someone ruins it, and then higher ups always overreact.
Been that way since the gladiators.

 

[iChokePeople]

Traditions I understand but when heavy objects are put in said pillows and noses are broken and stitches required or when someone is knocked unconscious isn't that a bit to far?
When similar behavior is done in college fraternitis to freshmen it's called hazing and generally frowned upon.

the army is not a college frat. They have different missions. Or, well, used to. Should.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Traditions I understand but when heavy objects are put in said pillows and noses are broken and stitches required or when someone is knocked unconscious isn't that a bit to far?
When similar behavior is done in college fraternitis to freshmen it's called hazing and generally frowned upon.

Soldiers aren't college kids. You're teaching young men to kill and to lead other young men who are trained to kill. Then you expect them to walk small?

This should have been dealt with in house and been the end of it.

 

[actaeon277]

Soldiers aren't college kids. You're teaching young men to kill and to lead other young men who are trained to kill. Then you expect them to walk small?

This should have been dealt with in house and been the end of it.

Yup. Not news.
Same as when they were stopping people from "pinning" on dolphins and wings.

 

[17 squirrel]

Soldiers aren't college kids. You're teaching young men to kill and to lead other young men who are trained to kill. Then you expect them to walk small?

This should have been dealt with in house and been the end of it.

Actually they at a College earning a Bachelor of Science degree.
I'm most certainly not going to justify their behavior, but that's what there are working for at the Academy.

 

[actaeon277]

Actually they at a College earning a Bachelor of Science degree.
I'm most certainly not going to justify their behavior, but that's what there are working for at the Academy.

And learning to fight/kill

 

[Alamo]

Soldiers aren't college kids. You're teaching young men to kill and to lead other young men who are trained to kill. Then you expect them to walk small?

This should have been dealt with in house and been the end of it.

This.

 

[Alamo]

Actually they at a College earning a Bachelor of Science degree.
I'm most certainly not going to justify their behavior, but that's what there are working for at the Academy.

The degree is necessary, but it is subordinate to learning to be a soldier and being commissioned as an officer. WP is not just a college.

Yes it was knuckle-headed to stuff their pillows with helmets, but it's not "scandalous". They need to be corrected, hard, and march on. Shoot, if I read it correctly, these guys were barely out of high school anyway --- before they even get to academics, new appointees have to make it through a summer of field training. Better to have to rein them in rather than try to figure out how to put fire into them.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

And learning to fight/kill

..and lead those who will fight/kill. I'm not even sure what the relevancy of pointing out they get a degree was.

 

[1911ly]

Well, at first glance I thought "pillow fight, how manly" Then I seen a few brought to a more manly level. It's freaken West Point. Pillows? Really?

 

[actaeon277]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gme1h1IfJZA

(warning language)

 

[actaeon277]

A kinda gentler version West Point.

[video=youtube;_qqvdOwoN-Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qqvdOwoN-Y[/video]

 

[singlesix]

Yup. Not news.
Same as when they were stopping people from "pinning" on dolphins and wings.

ah blood wings, gotta to love it.