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  • MCgrease08

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    There are many here saying to go with option #3 and just keep it in the bag, take it inside and and keep your mouth shut. Let me play devil's advocate for a minute because I tried that once and here is what happened. And yes, this is an absolutely true story.

    I also work in a corporate office and we have a no weapons policy. But my cubicle is literally in a corner at the very end of the 3rd floor. If there were ever to be an active shooter scenario I could be trapped, since the nearest stairwell is about 40 - 50 feet away. So one day I decided to throw my .38 snubbie in my laptop bag and take it inside with me. I was testing the waters more than anything to see if this would be a viable means to carry while at work.

    As Murphy's law would have it, I had completely forgotten that was the day I was supposed to ride with a co-worker down to the Statehouse in Indy for a meeting. Of course I couldn't very well leave my unattended bag and gun at my desk while I was gone, so I took it with me with the intention of leaving it in my co-worker's car while we went inside.

    We had some items we were delivering to the Sec. of State's office, so when we arrived downtown at the Statehouse we parked out front to unload the boxes. I left my bag in the backseat while we unloaded, and after we finished, my co-worker drove the car a few blocks away to park.

    I start carrying the packages inside and waited for her to get back. Low and behold, when she arrived she was carrying my laptop bag. She handed it to me and said, "you left this in the car. I didn't want to leave it in plain sight while the car was parked, so I brought it back to you so you can keep an eye on it." Of course at this point we're right up on the security checkpoint and she starts putting her stuff through the x-ray machine, getting ready to walk through the metal detector.

    I can't very well turn around and go back to the car. She has the keys and is already through the checkpoint. I did my best to try and casually ask the Sheriff's Deputy if I could leave my bag with him because there was a prohibited item inside. Of course he was like 90 years old and didn't hear me so he yells, "You got what inside your bag?"

    I got closer and told him that I had a firearm inside but I didn't want my co-worker to know, and asked him to please give me some guidance. He motions to a state police trooper standing about 20 yards away and waves the trooper over. I try to explain the situation using my "inside voice" with my co-worker now looking back at me wondering what the hold-up is.

    The trooper tells me my only option is to take it back to the car, under his supervision. He radios another trooper and requests a lock box be brought down to the security checkpoint. Now I'm standing there with two Indiana State troopers and a Marion County Sheriff's Deputy while my co-worker stares back at me. I have to ask her for her car keys while the trooper pulls my holstered firearm out of the bag and places it in the lock box. He then escorts me out of the building and personally walks me back to the car three blocks away so I can remove it from the lock box, put it back in the laptop bag and lock everything in the trunk.

    After all was said and done it took nearly 20 minutes from the time I originally walked into the building with the gun, to the time I came back without it. When I returned, my co-worker was chatting with the other trooper, no doubt trying to figure out what exactly was going on. Now this co-worker isn't exactly my boss, but we work in the same department and she definitely outranks me. When we met up she said something to the effect of, "the trooper told me you had some tools or something in your bag?"

    I told her I had some prohibited items inside and left it at that, but I know she saw the trooper pull the gun out of the bag and put it in the lock box. This happened about three months ago and we haven't spoken about it since.

    The moral of the story is, you never know what could happen during the day that could end up exposing your firearm. Best laid plans can go to hell real quick, and often due to circumstances out of your control.

    If I were the OP I would probably just leave the gun at home that day, or find a reason to drive myself instead of car pooling. Better yet, the OP could offer to drive, and secure the gun before he picks up his co-worker. Just my :twocents: earned through a real uncomfortable experience.
     

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    I would not violate company policy unless I was prepared to look for a new gig, so I'd ask the guy if I could leave my gun out of sight in his vehicle - but only if I think he's not going to get chatty about it around the office. Otherwise I'd leave it home.
    Leaving it at home was not a provided option. So if you had to chose between the first and second of your suggestions, what would you do?
    In that case I'd think long and hard about asking the driver about leaving it in his car. My concern here is he gets talky about it around the office, which I would not want in any way, shape or form. Remember it's not a secret once you tell someone.

    Since I'm not likely to ask the other guy, I'd actually CC on my person or in my bag.
     
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    You can't leave it in your friends locked vehicle because he is not licensed to carry (since you are a law abiding gun owner)

    Therefore, as stated, #3 is the best option of those listed.

    IC gives the licensed gun owner "parking lot permission" and leaving a loaded gun in his locked car would violate that part of the law.

    As an option you could unload the gun and leave it in a separate "I don't need this stuff for the meeting" bag and leave that bag in his car and would be legal (for him)

    As another un wanted alternative, you could drive and let him car pool. Leave the gun in your locked car.

    All the advice you asked for and some that you didn't. :)
     

    Dirtebiker

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    In that case I'd think long and hard about asking the driver about leaving it in his car. My concern here is he gets talky about it around the office, which I would not want in any way, shape or form. Remember it's not a secret once you tell someone.

    Since I'm not likely to ask the other guy, I'd actually CC on my person or in my bag.
    Why does it have to be a secret? He just can't carry in the office. He said he open carries, correct?
    just ask the guy if you can leave it in his car, if he says yes, no problem. If he says no, decide if you want to ride with him.
     

    WebHobbit

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    I'd go with #3 assuming this place doesn't do bag checks. At my day job I have to leave it locked in the car as they are very anti-gun and they check all bags going in and out and make you remove your jacket/over shirt as you leave. But then again I'm stuck in a blue-collar warehouse job. At this point I've been through far too many union contracts so leaving would include a massive pay cut.
     

    Ruger-9mm

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    1: Ask him prior to Thursday if he would be ok with you bringing your carry gun inside his car and leaving it there in the company lot when you go inside. (Reminder: no guns on premises company policy.)

    2: Don't say anything and leave it in the car, but this leads to the problem of how do you leave it in his car, take your backpack inside and your manager not see you remove and put the gun somewhere.

    3: Don't say anything, leave the gun in your backpack in it's compartment and bring it into your corp office, against company policy.

    What would you do?

    If you're going to do anything, at least do three. The first two options put your co-worker in a very uncomfortable position, even disregarding the fact that it's not legal for him to keep your gun in his car with the parking lot exemption. Chance taking it in, leave it at home and carry a knife, or find something you can CC for the day. I know I have plans to get a smaller gun so I can CC when I need to, and I can carry the SR9c when I OC.
     

    Burnsy

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    If you're going to do anything, at least do three. The first two options put your co-worker in a very uncomfortable position, even disregarding the fact that it's not legal for him to keep your gun in his car with the parking lot exemption. Chance taking it in, leave it at home and carry a knife, or find something you can CC for the day. I know I have plans to get a smaller gun so I can CC when I need to, and I can carry the SR9c when I OC.

    I have decided I am going with option 3 based on the responses here.

    The highlighted text, didn't know that. It's illegal to leave my firearm in some one else's car if they have knowlege of it, I have my LTCH and they will not be in the car without me in it? How does that work? The exemption says it has to be my car?
     

    Ruger-9mm

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    I have decided I am going with option 3 based on the responses here.

    The highlighted text, didn't know that. It's illegal to leave my firearm in some one else's car if they have knowlege of it, I have my LTCH and they will not be in the car without me in it? How does that work? The exemption says it has to be my car?

    EDIT: I read it again, and there seems to be an out. It would be legal if the gun was - unloaded, secured in a case, and not readily accessible. Which to your situation and line of thinking, totally defeats the purpose. Don't know why they have to make things so difficult to read and ferret out. Except for maybe keeping folks like Kirk busy.

    From my reading of IC 35-47-2-1 (and mind that IANAL, and do not play one on TV), the weapon has to be in a vehicle owned or in control of the lawful owner of the firearm. Since your co-worker wouldn't be considered the lawful owner of the firearm (i.e., he has no license to carry, or is a prohibited person or so on), he could get pinned with having a firearm in his car without a license, even through the gun belongs to you. The chances of that actually happening are slim, but within the realm of possibility. It's a very tricky, very fine line to do this. Best bet is to go option three, but keep it deep in the bag in a spot you know cannot be seen.
     

    Burnsy

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    You can't leave it in your friends locked vehicle because he is not licensed to carry (since you are a law abiding gun owner)

    Therefore, as stated, #3 is the best option of those listed.

    IC gives the licensed gun owner "parking lot permission" and leaving a loaded gun in his locked car would violate that part of the law.

    As an option you could unload the gun and leave it in a separate "I don't need this stuff for the meeting" bag and leave that bag in his car and would be legal (for him)

    As another un wanted alternative, you could drive and let him car pool. Leave the gun in your locked car.

    All the advice you asked for and some that you didn't. :)

    Did not know thank you very much.
     

    Burnsy

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    EDIT: I read it again, and there seems to be an out. It would be legal if the gun was - unloaded, secured in a case, and not readily accessible. Which to your situation and line of thinking, totally defeats the purpose. Don't know why they have to make things so difficult to read and ferret out. Except for maybe keeping folks like Kirk busy.

    From my reading of IC 35-47-2-1 (and mind that IANAL, and do not play one on TV), the weapon has to be in a vehicle owned or in control of the lawful owner of the firearm. Since your co-worker wouldn't be considered the lawful owner of the firearm (i.e., he has no license to carry, or is a prohibited person or so on), he could get pinned with having a firearm in his car without a license, even through the gun belongs to you. The chances of that actually happening are slim, but within the realm of possibility. It's a very tricky, very fine line to do this. Best bet is to go option three, but keep it deep in the bag in a spot you know cannot be seen.

    Learn something every day, thank you.
     

    Double T

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    That backpack screams gun to me, as does any grown man carrying anything with webbing on the outside. If you MUST carry off body, might I suggest a typical laptop bag?
     

    g00n24

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    option 4: buy a smaller gun and conceal it w/ a tuckable holster? and carry-on
     

    Burnsy

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    Update on this, carried in the backpack I linked. Had the following: 1 pair swim trunks, 1 pair work dockers, 2 work polos, 1 set of ear buds, 1 pair dress work shoes, 1 dress belt, 1 carry belt, 1 pair of shorts, 1 set of work socks, 2 pair of boxers, hair mousse, tooth paste, tooth brush, deodorant, axe spray, shaving cream, razor, 1 4 slot 18650 charger (for my ecig), 4 cartos, 5ml extra juice, 4 sets of batts, 1 can of pop, 1 mouse, 1 full size keyboard, my work laptop and power brick, cell phone, cell phone charger, 1 set of sunglasses, car keys and one deeply concealed G21 in it's serpa holster.

    Pack weighed in at 28lbs, was about half full. No problems with the bag or work.
     
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