My life was in danger. I want my lawyer.

[bwframe]

I would assume that the aforementioned statistics only include hits.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant hits on anyone who wasn't the intended victim. Like the teenage girl shot in the ankle last year.

 

[TraderJack]

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[skigun75]

Just stumbled onto this thread, and if I may add my 2 cents worth...

Rule #1 - I would strongly advise anyone involved in a self defense shooting to say nothing to everyone. "I want to speak to my attorney." is all that should come out of your mouth unless you or a loved one needs immediate life saving medical attention. Anything you say, to anyone, including paramedics and hospital personnel, is probably going to be used against you.

If you are in a shooting and survive, your nightmare has only begun. The legal battle will be as stressful as shooting someone. The money you spend on a skilled attorney to keep you from going to prison will be the best money you have ever spent.

Unless more people are shooting at you than you have bullets, the police are not your friend. As related above, the street cop responding to your call for help and the detective/prosecutor are probably not on the same page. Do Not make ANY statements, to anyone. See rule 1 above. Even attorneys hire attorneys to help them. Don't think you can do it by yourself, no matter how "justified" you are/were.

And finally, a HUGE to having your attorney's card in your wallet, right next to your permit. Don't leave home without it.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Paul, no offense to you or your father, but that sounds like a quick trip from justifiable self defense to a murder charge.

Assuming you are justified to shoot, if the attacker stops attacking, you have to stop shooting. Same thing applies to a fist fight, if the attacker withdraws or gives up, you can't continue to fight him... otherwise you are then also looking at a criminal charge (battery or felony assault).

I guess this depends on what and when you determine as "stops attacking". If a badguy is a threat, he gets shot all the way to the ground. I don't pull the trigger one shot at a time and pause to see if this had the desired effect. That is a good way to end up dead, but then you wouldn't have to worry about the lawyer.

 

[Spyke05]

I was actually involved in a "shootout"(dont like that term at all) and was actually surprised on how the whole incident was handled by the police. I had another person pull a firearm on me I was able to fire a shot before he was and was able to end the situation. I immediately called the police and informed them of the incident. I was interviewed by detectives my firearm was siezed and booked into evidence I was never arrested or treated like I was some sort of criminal. After all the evidence and witness statements were taken I was cleared of any charges. It took nine months for my weapon to be released but all in all the whole situation was not as horrible as I expected it to be.

 

[Josh Ward]

This is one of the areas that I think Michigan does better than Indiana by a long shot. In Michigan you have to take some sort of class to get your carry permit. Most of the time it's the NRA Personal Protection class with the Michigan specific stuff thrown in. Anyway, there is a legal section of the class where a lawyer comes in and explains your legal rights if you ever have to use a handgun in self defense, and answers any questions the students have. So not only do you have a better idea of what's involved, but you have the name of a very pro-gun attorney.

Oh and for the record, I used to hate the fact that you were required to spend money and take a class to get a carry permit. But after seeing some people shoot and hearing their attitudes on concealed carry I have changed my mind somewhat....

NO FREAKING THANKYOU!!! we need fewer requirements, NOT more. Yeah, theres always a couple "bad apples" out there, but dang, lets not let them persuade us into more rules and laws than infringe on our rights....

 

[Jack Burton]

There are lawyers, and then again, there are other lawyers. Not all are equal and having the wrong one can be as bad as standing up on the booking desk and signing your confession in 4/4 time.

Real estate, family law, and corporate lawyers are generally good guys, but not to be trusted with a self defense claim. They simply don't know the subject.

So how to find a good self defense lawyer. Ask the people who often run into them the most -- the local law enforcement officials. If you (or someone you know who will ask for you) gets a couple of legal beagle names consistently popping up from a variety of LEOs then you can be assured that they are probably good in a court room.

Almost all lawyers are willing to sit down for a few minutes and let you introduce yourself to them. Grab a business card and staple it to your LTC card. Don't worry about "retainer fees" since lawyers are in the business of needing new clients on a regular basis. They'll take your call at 3:00 AM if needed even if you haven't paid them a dime in advance.

 

[Jack Burton]

Rule #1 - I would strongly advise anyone involved in a self defense shooting to say nothing to everyone. "I want to speak to my attorney." is all that should come out of your mouth unless you or a loved one needs immediate life saving medical attention. Anything you say, to anyone, including paramedics and hospital personnel, is probably going to be used against you.

Mostly true...if there is something the police need to know, such as "there's his knife, it fell under the car" then you need to get it out in the beginning.

As a side note... you must have prior knowledge of something before you can claim it in your defense. For instance, if the badguy had a gun in his pocket but you didn't know about it, your defense cannot claim that the reason you shot him was because he had a gun. Common sense.

This holds true for the Tuller defense also... you shot the knife wielder because he was within a 20 foot circle and you know that he could kill you before you otherwise had a chance to defend yourself.

From my reading and understanding, if you were not aware of the Tuller drill beforehand, that defense will not work. If you cannot use it in your defense then to the jury you just shot and killed a man for no reason.

So how to prove that you know about the drill before any shooting? Presenting it as a statement the next day through your attorney is not going to work.



Well, one way is to have a subscription to a gun or other magazine that presents the drill and consequences of it. By having a subscription the presumption is that you read the magazine and have become aware of the drill.

Another is to immediately reference it while you are being questioned by the police. There obviously is not enough time for you to go out to the library, study it up, and then use it between the shooting and the questioning.

Another way is to have it in book/magazine/video form, with a personal note and date next to the info from you as to when you read/viewed it. This is weaker because it can be arranged after the fact of the shooting, but better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

 

[henktermaat]

I carry Guy's card - but I'm worried that it's his office and if after hours, I won't be able to contact him for a whole day or so.

 

[Lex Concord]

I carry Guy's card - but I'm worried that it's his office and if after hours, I won't be able to contact him for a whole day or so.

Who is "Guy"?

Where can I get his card?

 

[GuyRelford]

I carry Guy's card - but I'm worried that it's his office and if after hours, I won't be able to contact him for a whole day or so.

My personal cell (24/7/365) is available to any INGO member who wants it. (Thank you for the mention.)

Guy

 

[henktermaat]

My personal cell (24/7/365) is available to any INGO member who wants it. (Thank you for the mention.)

Guy

While we've got your attention, what's the procedure if we need to call after hours?

 

[GuyRelford]

While we've got your attention, what's the procedure if we need to call after hours?

Call my personal cell and I will respond. If (God forbid) you are in jail, you can call collect to my home because, for example, you can't call collect to a cell phone from the Marion County Arrestee Processing Center.

Just send me a PM if you want those numbers.

Guy

 

[chuckp]

God forbid any of us are ever in a gun fight. Or find ourselves in a situation where our lives are in danger and we have to use deadly force. I have always heard its best to give little info to the police. Clearly state your life was in danger and ask for a lawyer.

How many of you have a lawyer and are prepared for such an incident (got his or her number in your wallet or in your phone).

At the moment I don't know who I would call and would like to get a name 's' of a good lawyer who deals in these matters.

Wise thinking about talking to the police. Remember the Miranda rights tell you "That anything you do or say can and will be used against you." It does not say that it will be used TO HELP YOU. I have been in a self defense situation in where you live and I learned real fast the police here were not here to help me. Among other things, everything that I said to them was subpoenaed by the family of the person that attacked me. At the time I did not know that they had a live microphone on me and my mom and my girlfriend separately as they acted as our buddies. Guess what.....They did not tell us that we were being recorded. They even fudged on the truth to get a search warrant. They then used that information to twist me in to an evil person. Keep your mouth shut and DEMAND an atty, at any cost. Remember that you are trained to do your job. An atty is trained to deal with the police and the legal system.

Chuck

 

[Concerned Citizen]

I have two lawyers phone numbers in my cell phone address book; Kirk Freeman & Guy Relford. Both members here. I personally wouldn't call Bryan C, even though I have two of his books. I didn't care much for the last interview of his I heard. He doesn't seem to be at all for O.C., and I think he might even be against it. As a lawyer, even though he didn't OC, I would expect him to be for soneone elses rights to do as they wanted as long as it was legal.

Do a web search, find their websites, and their phone numbers are on their sites.

 

[jd42k]

God forbid any of us are ever in a gun fight. Or find ourselves in a situation where our lives are in danger and we have to use deadly force. I have always heard its best to give little info to the police. Clearly state your life was in danger and ask for a lawyer.

How many of you have a lawyer and are prepared for such an incident (got his or her number in your wallet or in your phone).

At the moment I don't know who I would call and would like to get a name 's' of a good lawyer who deals in these matters.

Below is a list of defense attorneys approved by the United States Conceal Carry Association (USCCA). If anyone wants a specific state pm me and I can email or perhaps create a list for all 50 states.

Their message on the USCCA card states: (to be used after a defensive shooting)

Call 911 - "I was afraid for my life, and was forced to defend myself. Please send an ambulance right away."

Once the police arrive state this:
1. He attacked me.
2. I'll sign a complaint.
3. There's the evidence.
4. I need to talk to my lawyer and I do not consent to any search.

Here's the list of attorneys.

Baker, Bodwell & Parker
Connersville, Indiana | Map This
* Estate Planning And Administration Attorneys - Connersville, IN - Baker Bodwell Parker
765-825-7551
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Blachly, Tabor, Bozik & Hartman LLC, Ft. Wayne
Ft Wayne, Indiana | Map This
Northwest Indiana's Best | Lawyers on the Square - Blachly, Tabor, Bozik, & Hartman
260-459-3288
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Blachly, Tabor, Bozik & Hartman LLC, Merrillville
Merrillville, Indiana | Map This
Northwest Indiana's Best | Lawyers on the Square - Blachly, Tabor, Bozik, & Hartman
219-738-2824
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Blachly, Tabor, Bozik & Hartman LLC, Valparaiso
Valparaiso, Indiana | Map This
Northwest Indiana's Best | Lawyers on the Square - Blachly, Tabor, Bozik, & Hartman
219-464-1041
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Cohen, Garelick & Glazier
Indianapolis, Indiana | Map This
Indianapolis Personal Injury Attorney | Muncie Criminal Defense Lawyer | Bloomington, Lafayette, Anderson IN
317-573-8888
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Gary L. Griner Attorney at Law
Mishawaka, Indiana | Map This
Griner & Company - Attorneys at Law: We Concentrate in Criminal Law, OWI,DUI, and Traffic Violations
574-255-1776
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FREE CONSULTATIONS!

Guy A. Relford
Zionsville, Indiana | Map This
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317 432-0747
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Jewell, Crump, Angermeier & Prall
Columbus, Indiana | Map This
Columbus Family Law Attorneys | Indiana Criminal Law, Estate Planning Lawyers, Law Firm - Jewell, Crump, Angermeier %26 Prall
812-376-9751
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Lavender Bauer PC, Attorney at Law
Warsaw, Indiana | Map This
lavenderbauer@lavenderbauer.com
574-267-4151
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Libertybell Law Group
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Conneticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
Criminal Defense Attorneys | Criminal Attorneys | Defense Lawyers | LibertyBell Law Firm
(800) 432-2355
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Martin J. Vogelbaum – Jones Obenchain, LLP
South Bend, Indiana | Map This
Jones Obenchain - Attorneys & Business Counselors
574.233.1194
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Matthew D. Barrett PC
Logansport, Indiana | Map This
http://www.barrettlaw.office.com
574-753-3300
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McIntyre, Hillgoss, Vent & Wieke
Kokomo, Indiana | Map This
Kokomo Divorce Attorneys | Indiana Estates, Estate Planning Lawyers, Law Firm - McIntyre, Hilligoss, Vent %26 Welke
765-252-4540
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McMillan Law Offices, P.C.
Valparaiso, Indiana | Map This
McMillan Law Offices, P.C. -
(219) 464-9191
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FREE CONSULTATIONS!

Roscoe Stofall Jr. & Associates
Mooresville, Indiana | Map This
Roscoe Stovall, Jr. & Associates \ Indianapolis, Indiana Car Accident, Criminal Defense Attorneys \ Featured on IndyLaw.tv
317-831-1111
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The Law Office of Sam Berkman
Merrillville, Indiana | Map This
Merrillville Criminal Law Lawyer | Lake County DUI Attorney | Crown Point Criminal Defense Lawyer
219-769-1125
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FREE CONSULTATIONS

 

[henktermaat]

I personally wouldn't call Bryan C, even though I have two of his books. I didn't care much for the last interview of his I heard. He doesn't seem to be at all for O.C., and I think he might even be against it.

I agree about this.

 

[GLOCKT]

jd42k,thanks for the info on post#56,hopefully I'll never need to be represented by one of these firms,but Thank You for the helpful info nonetheless...

 

[TheWabbit]

I'll just call my attorney wife. I get the best rates with her.

 

[Boomhower]

Call my personal cell and I will respond. If (God forbid) you are in jail, you can call collect to my home because, for example, you can't call collect to a cell phone from the Marion County Arrestee Processing Center.

Just send me a PM if you want those numbers.

Guy

Guy,
I tried to send you a PM, but my post count is not high enough. Could you send me a PM with those numbers.

Thanks.
Boom