Mayor Daley talks about SCOTUS / McDonald v Chicago

[SavageEagle]

I understand exactly where you are coming from, but what about Rosa Parks, she broke the law, and survived and became famous. What about gun owners, why cant we have our time in history?

INGunGuy

So then SCOTUS rulings have no weight of law in Illinois? I mean they just ruled that the second was a individual right free of federal and state restrictions. What about the first amendment? I can speak about whatever I wanna speak about as long as I am not inciting a riot, or verbally assaulting someone. Yea crowded theaters and yelling fire, yea we all know about all this.... But I can go out and start spouting crap about blacks, Jews, whites, asians, mexicans, etc, and there isnt anything the government can do about it.

INGunGuy

Man, I completely understand where you are coming from. However, I don't want to try something that's got the potential for a lot of gun owners to get felonies. I'm not scared to do something like this, but it would have to be a massive crowd the size of the Indy Tea Party before I would consider it.

And you're right, the SCOTUS ruling SHOULD have been more clear, but it wasn't. I wish we had the right to carry wherever, but if IL wants to say no carry, that's the state's right. The only people that can change it are those that live in that state.

I have to go to IL, maybe, for the 4th of July. I've been racking my brain trying to find a way to carry SOME kind of gun with me. Even if it's just a pellet gun. It sucks, but it's reality until gun owners in IL stand up and say (Lack of the bird flipping smiley).

 

[INGunGuy]

Man, I completely understand where you are coming from. However, I don't want to try something that's got the potential for a lot of gun owners to get felonies. I'm not scared to do something like this, but it would have to be a massive crowd the size of the Indy Tea Party before I would consider it.

And you're right, the SCOTUS ruling SHOULD have been more clear, but it wasn't. I wish we had the right to carry wherever, but if IL wants to say no carry, that's the state's right. The only people that can change it are those that live in that state.

I have to go to IL, maybe, for the 4th of July. I've been racking my brain trying to find a way to carry SOME kind of gun with me. Even if it's just a pellet gun. It sucks, but it's reality until gun owners in IL stand up and say (Lack of the bird flipping smiley).

We both are in agreement, and no I dont want to see anyone catch a felony, and I am not advocating committing a felony. But I would love to see a few thousand people open carry in downtown Chicago celebrating the SCOTUS ruling.

INGunGuy

 

[SavageEagle]

We both are in agreement, and no I dont want to see anyone catch a felony, and I am not advocating committing a felony. But I would love to see a few thousand people open carry in downtown Chicago celebrating the SCOTUS ruling.

INGunGuy

Yup. And if we can realistically get a thousand or more people to gather on the state line, I'll be the first to go across.

 

[Glock21]

The ridiculousness of Daley's delusions truly astounds me.

Yeah.

All I can say bout him anymore is he's a douche. Can I say "douche" here? Well, I did. And if I can't, then I'll just say he's a delusional tyrant.

 

[henktermaat]

Yeah.

All I can say bout him anymore is he's a douche. Can I say "douche" here? Well, I did. And if I can't, then I'll just say he's a delusional tyrant.

Perhaps you can say doosh. Either way it's not a strong enough term.

 

[cbop]

I understand exactly where you are coming from, but what about Rosa Parks, she broke the law, and survived and became famous. What about gun owners, why cant we have our time in history?

INGunGuy

The thing that is different with the Rosa Parks situation is they could not prevent her from being a black woman whereas they could work it to where you could no longer be a gun owner.

My father always told me that you do not change a bad law by breaking it... there are legal steps to take and until those options are exhausted, I feel brash public statements could do more harm than good to our cause. Can't you see the headlines to come? "Chicago invaded by lawless, gun toting, out of staters. Recent SC rulings bring untold numbers of guns to city" I do not like the 'Chicago' way of doing things but it is best to beat them by laws and have right on your side than to become the thing they claim us to be.

 

[downzero]

There is a myth that states have rights. States do not have rights. Only individuals have rights.

States have the police power, which is constrained by the Constitution. States cannot have rights.

 

[semperfi211]

Yup. And if we can realistically get a thousand or more people to gather on the state line, I'll be the first to go across.

A open Cary march on State Line Road, on the Hammond side between Hammond and Calumet City Il. would be great.

 

[SavageEagle]

A open Cary march on State Line Road, on the Hammond side between Hammond and Calumet City Il. would be great.

That's kinda what I was thinking. I can already picture it in my head.

But "cbop" put it best. And until the residents of IL call on all gun owners in the way Skip Coryell did for the 2A March, I leave it up to the residents of IL to get their together and DO something. Even though I have family there, the only way I'll cross that line is to pass through or kicking and screaming.

 

[INGunGuy]

A open Cary march on State Line Road, on the Hammond side between Hammond and Calumet City Il. would be great.

I love the thought of this, anyone wanna have a OC march?

INGunGuy

 

[flagtag]

Liberal =/= socialist, first of all.

Second of all, what does socialism have to do with a substantive rights violation by our government?



Hmm.

from wikipedia...



Seems presumptively ridiculous that you'd suggest that the more "liberals," the less "rights" we have.

Not only do rights predate government, the word "liberal" comes from the same root word as the word "liberty." We have rights (all of them), regardless of who is on the Court.



Have you ever read some of Justice Thomas' opinions? Read Morse v. Frederick and tell me that Justice Thomas "generally" supports the Constitution. Thomas has even stated publicly that he is uncomfortable with the Bill of Rights.



Right. I'm sure all we need is a bunch of people who are hostile to certain rights in order to protect other constitutional rights. But, you know, at least we'd be safe from pornography and sodomy. I know I just can't wait for the day when the government can ban me from getting a *******.

That definition of Liberal may have been true at one time, but the scumbags on the left have perverted it and it now means "socialist". And they want to dictate our lives to us, reduce our rights. (But, that goes for both parties now.)

Yes, I KNOW we still have all our rights, but the courts have the opportunity to side with those who would try to take those rights away from us. (Making our lives uncomfortable while we exercise those rights we all KNOW that we will always have.)

Congress and the courts - political decisions - interfer with our free excersize of all of our rights. (Consider Obama's health care bill - DEFINATELY NOT Constitutional! But the court will support the new "law" - not because it's Constitutional, but because of politics.)

 

[philo]

remember you don't even have to be alive to "vote early vote often" in the big city.

 

[flagtag]

That's kinda what I was thinking. I can already picture it in my head.

But "cbop" put it best. And until the residents of IL call on all gun owners in the way Skip Coryell did for the 2A March, I leave it up to the residents of IL to get their together and DO something. Even though I have family there, the only way I'll cross that line is to pass through or kicking and screaming.

The problem in IL exists mainly in "The People's Socialist Republic of Chicago" and "Crook County".

There aren't enough downstaters to counter the millions of Chicagoans. In other words, there are more people in Chicago (and don't forget the dead people who vote there alsol) than the rest of IL combined. But, we ARE gaining ground in Chicago.

 

[garlic_b]

I am very left/liberal and he is not representative of us. But then, I am a rather odd demographic.

Like many of the other comments. He's d-bag, a**hat blowhard, completely out of touch with reality.

 

[ultraspec]

Why is Mayor Daley such a ***** and not post his e-mail address? I want to e-mail him to ask if his bodyguards are armed? I think that it is time to have a GIANT group of people do a Open Carry march thru downtown Chicago.

INGunGuy

His bodyguards are all chicago pd

 

[ultraspec]

Now, if you can get one thousand or more AT THE IN/IL STATE BORDER ready to walk, rifles slung, into IL through Chicago, I'll come. But I'm not going unless we outnumber any force coming to throw us in Jail. Period.

Consider that Chicago PD has about 13,000 officers on the books how are you going to outnumber them? Not to mention the ISP troops, feds and other agencies surrounding the city that could come and help out if CPD asked.

Also, I doubt that they could even start arrests since there would be so many people.
INGunGuy

See the above.

 

[SavageEagle]

Consider that Chicago PD has about 13,000 officers on the books how are you going to outnumber them? Not to mention the ISP troops, feds and other agencies surrounding the city that could come and help out if CPD asked.




See the above.

Well there you go. That's why I'm not all giddy about the idea of holding an OC March on the Chi.

 

[Expat]

Well there you go. That's why I'm not all giddy about the idea of holding an OC March on the Chi.

Yeah, it would be a pretty senseless gesture. An armed force that large marching on Chicago, they would mow you down like Spring hay. You would be written off by all of the media as right wing wackos trying to storm the nuclear plant.

 

[SavageEagle]

Yeah, it would be a pretty senseless gesture. An armed force that large marching on Chicago, they would mow you down like Spring hay. You would be written off by all of the media as right wing wackos trying to storm the nuclear plant.

The first part is right. But the second part, you act as if they don't already consider us right-wing wackos storming whatever event we happen to show up to. I don't care what the media calls me. They can call me Joe Blow the Hoe for all I care. Those who know what's truth and what's not will know better and those that don't won't care in the first place. All they will see is what they always see. A guy with a gun.

If you want to get the People to rally around a cause, you start your own media campaign through the internet. The media has failed the People and our only outlet for the truth is on the Internet and word of mouth.

 

[Leadeye]

How many folks here remember the democratic convention in 1968? OC marches would be dealt with by riot police,gas and clubs, your right of assembly would be dealt with the same way Meigs Field was.