Mall Security Question

[gassprint1]

Lol

Don't laugh about something if you don't know, research or find out the hard way.

 

[gassprint1]

It's state law! I swear to God it is!

Yes it it a state law. How do some not know this.

 

[mbkintner]

So you think I'm joking??? You can be hit with a class A or B misdemeanor. Had to search the ic but here it is..
IC 35-44.1-2-3

And not one single part of that comes even remotely close to the topic your claim was about...lying to a cop pulling security duty at a mall.

 

[mbkintner]

Don't laugh about something if you don't know, research or find out the hard way.

I'm pretty sure he'll be okay. He can always just check with one of his coworkers.

 

[Rookie]

So you think I'm joking??? You can be hit with a class A or B misdemeanor. Had to search the ic but here it is..
IC 35-44.1-2-3

There's a pretty big difference between false informing/false reporting and lying to police. The IC you quoted has specific instances where you could be convicted, but nothing in there covers general lying.

 

[Rookie]

Don't laugh about something if you don't know, research or find out the hard way.

Now that's funny. Hey @Frank_N_Stein , I have two questions...

1. In your police career, how many times have you caught someone flat out lying to you?
2. How many times did you charge them with lying to police?

 

[gassprint1]

And not one single part of that comes even remotely close to the topic your claim was about...lying to a cop pulling security duty at a mall.

Apparently you didn't read the part about a cop that is working private security can't act or perform law enforcement duties.

 

[gassprint1]

There's a pretty big difference between false informing/false reporting and lying to police. The IC you quoted has specific instances where you could be convicted, but nothing in there covers general lying.

So the "code" should be rewritten because you don't know what false reporting or informing means?

Now that's funny. Hey @Frank_N_Stein , I have two questions...

1. In your police career, how many times have you caught someone flat out lying to you?
2. How many times did you charge them with lying to police?

There is nothing that says a cop HAS TO charge some, but they do when they want to.

 

[Rookie]

Doubling down?


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2022 Indiana Code
Title 35. Criminal Law and Procedure
Article 44.1. Offenses Against General Public Administration
Chapter 2. Interference With General Government Operations
35-44.1-2-3. False Reporting; False Informing​

Universal Citation: IN Code § 35-44.1-2-3 (2022)
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Sec. 3. (a) As used in this section, "consumer product" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-45-8-1.
(b) As used in this section, "misconduct" means a violation of a departmental rule or procedure of a law enforcement agency.
(c) A person who reports that:
(1) the person or another person has placed or intends to place an explosive, a destructive device, or other destructive substance in a building or transportation facility;
(2) there has been or there will be tampering with a consumer product introduced into commerce; or
(3) there has been or will be placed or introduced a weapon of mass destruction in a building or a place of assembly;
knowing the report to be false, commits false reporting, a Level 6 felony.
(d) A person who:
(1) gives:
(A) a false report of the commission of a crime; or
(B) false information to a law enforcement officer that relates to the commission of a crime;
knowing the report or information to be false;
(2) gives a false alarm of fire to the fire department of a governmental entity, knowing the alarm to be false;
(3) makes a false request for ambulance service to an ambulance service provider, knowing the request to be false;
(4) gives a false report concerning a missing child (as defined in IC 10-13-5-4) or missing endangered adult (as defined in IC 12-7-2-131.3) or gives false information to a law enforcement officer or a governmental entity that relates to a missing child or missing endangered adult knowing the report or information to be false;
(5) makes a complaint against a law enforcement officer to the state or municipality (as defined in IC 8-1-13-3(b)) that employs the officer:
(A) alleging the officer engaged in misconduct while performing the officer's duties; and
(B) knowing the complaint to be false;
(6) makes a false report of a missing person, knowing the report or information is false;
(7) gives a false report of actions, behavior, or conditions concerning:
(A) a septic tank soil absorption system under IC 8-1-2-125 or IC 13-26-5-2.5; or
(B) a septic tank soil absorption system or constructed wetland septic system under IC 36-9-23-30.1;
knowing the report or information to be false; or
(8) makes a false report that a person is dangerous (as defined in IC 35-47-14-1) knowing the report or information to be false;
commits false informing, a Class B misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if it substantially hinders any law enforcement process or if it results in harm to another person.


Officer: do you have a gun?
You: no (even though you know you do)

So, which part of the IC that you are using to back your claims would you be guilty of? I copied the whole IC to make it easier.

The fact is that there are many times you absolutely can lie to police without any charges being brought against you. There are instances that you could be charged with false informing, but it's very specific. General lies do not fall under 35-44.1-2-3.

 

[Expat]

as far as I know, you can lie to PoPo but not to a Feeb.

 

[KLB]

as far as I know, you can lie to PoPo but not to a Feeb.

Exactly.

 

[KLB]

So the "code" should be rewritten because you don't know what false reporting or informing means?


There is nothing that says a cop HAS TO charge some, but they do when they want to.

No. You apparently don't know what it means. Don't let that stop you though.

 

[cedartop]

I remember that place from the 80s. I always thought it was a boring place to go...about like the so called mall that was in laport that Prancer movie was film at.

I met Dick Marcinko at that mall. Scottsdale, not the Prancer one.

 

[Expat]

I met Dick Marcinko at that mall. Scottsdale, not the Prancer one.

I have to admit I would have been pretty excited to meet him.

 

[cedartop]

I have to admit I would have been pretty excited to meet him.

I was. I am typically not the fan boy type, but it was cool.

 

[HoughMade]

There's a pretty big difference between false informing/false reporting and lying to police. The IC you quoted has specific instances where you could be convicted, but nothing in there covers general lying.

Correct. In Indiana, there is no crime of "lying to police"- as stated there are many elements to "false reporting" and it is not simply a "lying to police" statute. First and foremost, there's that "commission of a crime" element. I never recommend that anyone lie (on general principle), but if a police officer comes up to you in a mall and asks if you are carrying a gun, what's the "commission of a crime" part that could lead to false informing?

The federal, system on the other hand....

 

[Brad69]

I have learned quite a bit from this thread.

1. Malls are still a “thing”
2. Don’t think I have been in one since about 1998.
3. Mall security are experts at finding people CC.
4. You can lie to the Police.

 

[MCgrease08]

I met Dick Marcinko at that mall. Scottsdale, not the Prancer one.

Who dat?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Who dat?

Put your flame suit on.

 

[joe138]

Rogue Warrior, plank owner of SEAL Team 6