Mall safety issues

[Indy317]

Well, some of you likely read the issues of young people down at Circle Centre Mall in Indy causing all sorts of issues, even attacking police trying to break-up the fights and what not. Then there is an issue in Chicago where a bunch of young adults started fighting and what not, one even decided to toss a chair through a window of a passing vehicle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MIrN5DFvJM

Then, Chicago PD gets info that another large group of teens are deciding to congregate at another mall, so as in downtown Indy, we need to turn the area into a police state to keep things peaceful. Thing was in this incident, the kids saw the cops and got right back on the bus and left:

Second City Cop: Mall Warnings

So now the problem has decided to move from downtown Indy, to Broad Ripple, back to downtown, and after the militarization of downtown, up to Castleton, with guns pulled, just no shots fired....yet:

RTV6 - Police respond to fight at Castelton Square Mall - Local Story

Police respond to fight at mall

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...respond-show-force-Castleton-mall-disturbance


Wonder when the first person will be shot and killed in the Castleton food court area? Or how many innocent people will get hit by randomly flying bullets. The politicians wonder why millions are flocking to get guns, it is because they have flat out failed us when it comes to safety. We give billionaires money for their pro-sport teams, we give tax breaks to rich corporations so they will build hotels and retail businesses where most of the employees get paid jack. We have K-12 and public universities dumping money on image and stuff instead of focusing on the primary objective. Every time these incidents happen, the offenders are always repeat customers of the criminal justice system. Two punks killed one guy, shot another, stole a car, etc.. One of the suspect's mother did the right thing and begged the juv. court judge to lock her son up in a cage, but that didn't happen. The other mom claims her delinquent son is a "sweat heart."

Maybe it is time Simon and other mall owners get really tough on unsupervised folks under 18 years old. No more congregating in groups of five or more, must have adult who is at least 30 years or older, or maybe even the legal guardian with you. Hire off-duty cops in plain clothing, walk with the mall agents, let agents tell the kids to leave the property. When they mouth off, as punks do, arrest for trespass.

 

[Jack Burton]

Indy, the problem is deeper than that. YOu chase them out of the mall... they'll be causing the same problems somewhere else.

There really needs to be a radical retooling of our society where the punks learn at a very early age that certain behaviour is necessary for a functional society and if you cannot meet those standards then you are going to be set outside of society.

I am not speaking of how long one wears their hair (I had that problem as a teen in the 60s) or what music one listens to. We need to deal with the deeper concerns of hurting innocents and the actual disruption of other's freedoms.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Well said as always, Jack.

 

[Mosinguy]

Kick kids out of the mall? You are really suggesting that? I almost never go to a mall but I know you kick unsupervised teens out of malls you may as well bulldoze those buildings down.

 

[Jarhead77]

No deterrent? Crime pays? We are too easy on criminals, "they are poor, helpless, under privileged, uneducated and really heed our sympathy not correction." What BS!!!

 

[shootersix]

where is gecko45 when you need him!

 

[No2rdame]

Simple. As we've been arguing all along for not restricting our 2A rights, there are plenty of laws already on the books that deal with thugs and hoodlums like this. The problem is, the laws aren't enforced. That will at least take care of the immediate problem.

Long-term, though, Jack is right. As a society we need to better address the situation. Unfortunately, too many people procreate but then refuse to involve themselves in their kids lives. You have a bunch of thugs and criminals with no oversight and no repercussions for their actions.

Someone will be killed in the near future as a result of these thugs. My only hope is that it ends up being one of their own and the person who does the shooting did so legally in self defense.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Isn't this pretty much what our government wants? Demanding that they do something........

 

[Vic_Mackey]

They should just ship them all to NYC.

 

[LPMan59]

how about applications to have children and forced sterilizations?

I see here, Sir/Madam you dropped out of high school, are unemployed, collect welfare and SNAP and now you want to have kids? Right this way....snip snip

 

[actaeon277]

I agree with Jack Burton

 

[HoughMade]

Well, my Mom AND Dad taught me respect for others and my Mom AND Dad taught me right from wrong and my Mom AND Dad taught me not to act the fool out in public and my DAD made sure there were memorable consequences if I broke the rules. This are what my kids' Mom AND Dad teach them as well.

Starting to see a theme?....

.....or is that aggressive and insensitive?

 

[jgreiner]

Indy, the problem is deeper than that. YOu chase them out of the mall... they'll be causing the same problems somewhere else.

There really needs to be a radical retooling of our society where the punks learn at a very early age that certain behaviour is necessary for a functional society and if you cannot meet those standards then you are going to be set outside of society.

I am not speaking of how long one wears there hair (I had that problem as a teen in the 60s) or what music one listens to. We need to deal with the deeper concerns of hurting innocents and the actual disruption of other's freedoms.

Bring back PADDY WAGONS, round em up, and toss em all in.

 

[SERparacord]

Every major city has the same problems. The kids just want Skittles, leave them alone.

 

[STEEL CORE]

Circle Center nope not shopping there, Lafayette Square, no, how about the one off of Keystone? Noway. Castleton mall maybe? Sorry that ones too dangerous to go to anymore.......I got it, the newest one in Hamilton County, off I 69......that one should be safe for now anyway?

 

[Archer46176]

We just choose not to go to malls. Anymore it even pains me to go to the grocery or to Wal-Mart.

 

[j706]

No deterrent? Crime pays? We are too easy on criminals, "they are poor, helpless, under privileged, uneducated and really heed our sympathy not correction." What BS!!!

DING, DING, DING, we have a winner. While this may or may not be the cause it is definitely why it continues and spreads. I tend to believe the main reason is no parents, no discipline, no nothing....just excuses. Those inner city youth types will forever be a drain on society until the day they die. And of course many will die at a young age at the hand of their fellow inner city youth types. Unfortunately they breed like rats in a grain elevator so they will never be extinct. Pathetic humans they are !!!

 

[j706]

Well, my Mom AND Dad taught me respect for others and my Mom AND Dad taught me right from wrong and my Mom AND Dad taught me not to act the fool out in public and my DAD made sure there were memorable consequences if I broke the rules. This are what my kids' Mom AND Dad teach them as well.

Starting to see a theme?....

.....or is that aggressive and insensitive?

Same here!! I can think back on some of the stupid stuff I got caught doing and what the results were once my dad got done with me. It makes gut turn just thinking about it.

 

[ssmith512]

Same here!! I can think back on some of the stupid stuff I got caught doing and what the results were once my dad got done with me. It makes gut turn just thinking about it.

Yep. Back then it was called PARENTING. Now it is called Child Endangerment, or Child Abuse or some other stupid term that prevents kids from getting the snot knocked out of them by their parents or when they deserve it.

 

[actaeon277]

We just choose not to go to malls. Anymore it even pains me to go to the grocery or to Wal-Mart.

Yes, you can choose not to go.
But you shouldn't have to choose not to go because of punks.
This is not a society of thugs. Or at least it isn't supposed to be.