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Is There ANYTHING The Left Isn’t Messing With?
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I remember 20ish years ago hearing a few people give warnings that Russia had been working a long game to plant socialism in America. Most people responded “that will never happen here”.
Around that same time I heard a few people talk about the progressive extremist ideologies taking root in California. Most people responded “that will never happen here”.
Allot longer than 20 years ago....
I read Mary Grabar’s “Debunking Howard Zinn: Exposing a fake history that turned a generation against America”. Excellent read by the way and very eye opening. Howard Zinn was active in the United States Communist Party in the 1950’s. One of their tactics back then was to “join” progressive groups and inject communism into the new forming progressive ideals. They specifically targeted progressive groups because they found them to be the most gullible in unknowingly accepting communist ideas. Basically communists tricked the progressives into adopting communism and selling it to America as progressivism.
20 years ago most people still didn’t understand or recognize the growth of communism/socialism/Marxism. I didn’t understand it then. The majority attitude was “it will never happen here”. And there was little push back against it. How far we gone in 20 years.
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People can laugh about the conspiracy theories such as fluoride and contrails but believe me that this takeover of America is no laughing matter. It's happening and it seems there's not a ****ing thing we can/ will do about it..
This is why war exists.
When diplomatic efforts fail, violence is the last solution that has always settled the dispute, providing it was taken far enough and not half-measured.
The government has done an exceedingly good job at insuring there is no diplomatic path to resolving issues.
The depressing this is the realization that by the time people are widely convinced that's a good course of action will be about the same time we're already on the train cars. The vax was a good test run to prove that people value their money more than their principles, much less their fellow American's freedoms.
It was longer ago that 20 years. It was Kruschev who said that.
This slide started probably about the time of the first progressives back in the early 1900’s.
Yes. That was my point. 20+ years ago, as a teen, I remember people saying it had been happening for a long time and warning about where America was headed. But most people didn’t believe it or just didn’t care.
Last year I saw an old news article about what Kruschev said. It was eerie reading that in current times.
With the fall of the USSR I stopped believing in them as threat. What we see today is the people in charge not really caring what system of government there is as long as they are in charge. When George 1 proclaimed the arise of the New World Order, it simply meant that nationalism was going to be replaced with money as the root of power. I thought that since America was the cornerstone of capitalism it would usher in a new age for this country, but it has become more like East Germany all the time. Central planning keeps the population in line, whether it works for the people's benefit or not.
Nationalism had for years been a country's identity, I grew up in the end of European colonialism and the rise of many new nation states. You saw the US and USSR competing for their allegiance through the 50s, 60, and 70s. Academics in the 70s when I was in college preached world socialisn, not nationalism, as the salvation of humanity. A big thing happen in the 80s. We get a President that makes it his mission to end the cold war on favorable terms for America. Those academics of my youth I figured were crying in thier beers at Nicks, everything they believed in was on the scrap heap of history
When George 1 made his New World Order speech, at first it sounded like something more concerned with the gulf war and America's new role as world policeman working with the UN. In the latter part of Geroge 1's term I felt like leadership was moving into something else, America was losing it's independence willingly and big money was calling all the shots. Jobs were headed south never to return, but nobody in leadership seemed to care what sort of damage that was doing except maybe Ross Perot.
With the Clinton machine, the direction drifts back into the hands of academics, the same people I remember in college of the 70s that assured me socialism was the best form of government. What passed through with that change of baton from George to Bill, was the position of big money. Regardless of what it represented, Clinton leadership moved big money to the head of the table where it has been ever since, and you see leadership embracing old political machine concepts of rule and organization today, more East German than American in nature.
The 2002 is just 20 years ago. Most people I know saw this coming long before that. I might agree that 20 years ago people started to realize the reality of it but I wholehearted believe it was talked about decades before.
As I see it both sides have serious deficiencies.
True, the far left tries to adjust things to a massively woke position. Hypersensitivity to EVERYTHING! Transsexuals, gays, police abuse, treatment of immigrants. They try to stick their noses into everything and blow it up well beyond its deserved importance.
But the right does NOTHING! There isn't a real problem the right tries to fix with any meaningful nuance. High crime? Answer = lock em up - forever. Forget trying to learn the causes, just go for a solution that hasn't worked in a thousand years. But it makes them feel like they've done something.
The right has overturned Roe. Great. So what do you do about unwanted pregnancy? Uh...
Don't have sex? Nope. That solution hasn't worked in... well... ever. So what is the rights solution? There isn't one. Now that Roe is gone they are only beginning to look deeper at an extremely varied and nuanced problem.
A river is polluted, severely. The left wants to shut down ALL industry. The right ignores the problem in the name of industry.
Obamacare was the best example of this ever. Prices were, and still are, insane. No one can afford to fix a simple broken bone and do a monthes PT on their own. Only a very small percentage could even consider paying their own way. So what happens? The right ignores the problem entirely. This leaves the door wide open for Obama to come in and do stupid crap that doesn't help.
Trump pushed a border wall. Okay. Fine. The liberals scream. But the wall does not address the need for legal immigration reform. What does the right propose to streamline the process for a decent, hardworking, industrious person to become a citizen? Answer = not a damn thing. Just build a wall and we'll be happy. Has the right considered how much it will cost to man the wall? Because a wall without guards is nothing more than a very minor speedbump. Answer = uh...
So the left is triggered by the wall the and right giggles at their frustration, but neither side does squat about the issue of real immigration reform so that desirable people can become American citizens in less than a decade.
I don't know what the answer is. I do know that the answer to any real problem is extremely complex and no matter what we decide it won't fix 100% of the problem. It never does. Real problems are complex, and thus cannot be solved with simple answers. This requires both sides to sit down, discuss, argue, walk away, think, and come back tomorrow to begin again. Sadly, neither side is willing to do this. So the problems remain and the frustration grows, on each side.
Regards,
Doug
True, the far left tries to adjust things to a massively woke position. Hypersensitivity to EVERYTHING! Transsexuals, gays, police abuse, treatment of immigrants. They try to stick their noses into everything and blow it up well beyond its deserved importance.
But the right does NOTHING! There isn't a real problem the right tries to fix with any meaningful nuance. High crime? Answer = lock em up - forever. Forget trying to learn the causes, just go for a solution that hasn't worked in a thousand years. But it makes them feel like they've done something.
The right has overturned Roe. Great. So what do you do about unwanted pregnancy? Uh...
Don't have sex? Nope. That solution hasn't worked in... well... ever. So what is the rights solution? There isn't one. Now that Roe is gone they are only beginning to look deeper at an extremely varied and nuanced problem.A river is polluted, severely. The left wants to shut down ALL industry. The right ignores the problem in the name of industry.
Obamacare was the best example of this ever. Prices were, and still are, insane. No one can afford to fix a simple broken bone and do a monthes PT on their own. Only a very small percentage could even consider paying their own way. So what happens? The right ignores the problem entirely. This leaves the door wide open for Obama to come in and do stupid crap that doesn't help.
Trump pushed a border wall. Okay. Fine. The liberals scream. But the wall does not address the need for legal immigration reform. What does the right propose to streamline the process for a decent, hardworking, industrious person to become a citizen? Answer = not a damn thing. Just build a wall and we'll be happy. Has the right considered how much it will cost to man the wall? Because a wall without guards is nothing more than a very minor speedbump. Answer = uh...
So the left is triggered by the wall the and right giggles at their frustration, but neither side does squat about the issue of real immigration reform so that desirable people can become American citizens in less than a decade.
I don't know what the answer is. I do know that the answer to any real problem is extremely complex and no matter what we decide it won't fix 100% of the problem. It never does. Real problems are complex, and thus cannot be solved with simple answers. This requires both sides to sit down, discuss, argue, walk away, think, and come back tomorrow to begin again. Sadly, neither side is willing to do this. So the problems remain and the frustration grows, on each side.
Regards,
Doug
They’re not messing with paying down the national debt, that would make too much sense!
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Neither side has put up candidates for president that I could vote for in the last 4 elections.As I see it both sides have serious deficiencies.
True, the far left tries to adjust things to a massively woke position. Hypersensitivity to EVERYTHING! Transsexuals, gays, police abuse, treatment of immigrants. They try to stick their noses into everything and blow it up well beyond its deserved importance.
But the right does NOTHING! There isn't a real problem the right tries to fix with any meaningful nuance. High crime? Answer = lock em up - forever. Forget trying to learn the causes, just go for a solution that hasn't worked in a thousand years. But it makes them feel like they've done something.
The right has overturned Roe. Great. So what do you do about unwanted pregnancy? Uh...
A river is polluted, severely. The left wants to shut down ALL industry. The right ignores the problem in the name of industry.
Obamacare was the best example of this ever. Prices were, and still are, insane. No one can afford to fix a simple broken bone and do a monthes PT on their own. Only a very small percentage could even consider paying their own way. So what happens? The right ignores the problem entirely. This leaves the door wide open for Obama to come in and do stupid crap that doesn't help.
Trump pushed a border wall. Okay. Fine. The liberals scream. But the wall does not address the need for legal immigration reform. What does the right propose to streamline the process for a decent, hardworking, industrious person to become a citizen? Answer = not a damn thing. Just build a wall and we'll be happy. Has the right considered how much it will cost to man the wall? Because a wall without guards is nothing more than a very minor speedbump. Answer = uh...
So the left is triggered by the wall the and right giggles at their frustration, but neither side does squat about the issue of real immigration reform so that desirable people can become American citizens in less than a decade.
I don't know what the answer is. I do know that the answer to any real problem is extremely complex and no matter what we decide it won't fix 100% of the problem. It never does. Real problems are complex, and thus cannot be solved with simple answers. This requires both sides to sit down, discuss, argue, walk away, think, and come back tomorrow to begin again. Sadly, neither side is willing to do this. So the problems remain and the frustration grows, on each side.
Regards,
Doug
Yes it’s been talked about long before that. But the majority of Americans weren’t paying attention. At least that’s been my experience growing up in several different communities and states.
