Is the rate of fatal crime higher in U.S as compared to other countries?

[ruger17hmr]

With the drastic increase in firearms involved violent crimes, I was just wondering if the rate of crime and resulting fatality is higher in U.S as compared to say..uh.. United Kingdom or Japan, where the firearm possession is not legalized for general public.


If anyone has access to the relevant statistics, please share with the INGO community.


There was a wise Chinese philosopher, who wondered aloud if man was born wicked or simply become wicked due to his external factors.

I suppose if one believes in the latter, he can argue the firearm makes it easier for perp to carry out his evil deeds.

However, if you are a Christian and believes in "Original Sin"", then man is hopelessly doomed the moment he was born, for he is inherently wicked and will have tendency to carry out evil deeds with or without the aid of firearms.

Makes me wonder ...

 

[pudly]

With the drastic increase in firearms involved violent crimes

Ummm... What is the evidence for that statement?

 

[Redemption]

With the drastic increase in firearms involved violent crimes,

Yeah, where the hell do you live? Ghana?

 

[DragonGunner]

^^^^This^^^^ And all the rest. Including "O-------- S--", This is all I can commit on since "R-------" is banned. "R----------" isn't for "Republican" either.

 

[gunman]

BBC NEWS | UK | Why Britain needs more guns

As gun crime leaps by 35% in a year....

With gun crime in Britain soaring in the face of the strictest gun control laws of any democracy...

The failure of this general disarmament to stem, or even slow, armed and violent crime could not be more blatant. According to a recent UN study, England and Wales have the highest crime rate and worst record for "very serious" offences of the 18 industrial countries surveyed....

But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising. By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape....

 

[beararms1776]

In Switzerland they have a very low crime rate. All citizens are required to carry a gun there.

 

[cosermann]

There are many cultural/societal factors involved with violent crime. It does not correlate directly with private firearms availability.

Examples:
Japan - few firearms in private hands and lowish violent crime.
Switzerland - many firearms in private hands and lowish violent crime.
Jamaica - few-ish firearms in private hands and among the highest violent crime rates in the world (higher than the U.S.)
And then you have the examples of countries where certain political or religious groups have the firearms and prey upon those groups that do not (sometimes this is viewed as crime, sometimes not, depends on the country)

See the correlation? Nope.

Google can provide you with some stats and articles.

Due to societal factors, violent crime comparisons between countries is more difficult to interpret than most anti-gun types would have you believe.

It's easier to compare U.S. states and cities (those w/strict gun control vs those without) because the cultural/societal factors are much more similar and so tend to factor themselves out.

Other useful comparisons are before/after comparisons of places before/after gun control measures. Ex. U.S. states before/after shall issue legislation, UK and Aus before/after their most recent significant draconian gun legislation, etc.

Much of this has been documented.

Some prior similar threads:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ecrease_violent_crime_really_ask_jamaica.html
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/the_2nd_amendment/93950-shooter_in_england_kills_12_a.html
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._rated_83rd_as_safest_country_to_live_in.html

 

[Redemption]

Don't ask him where he lives, you will get negative rep!

 

[melensdad]

In Switzerland they have a very low crime rate. All citizens are required to carry a gun there.

NO truth to that statement at all.

Not sure where you get your information but its wrong.

Further there is no legal requirement that all Swiss homes have a gun.

 

[tk21k]

Maybe the crime rate has more to do with the punishment that society gives a criminal than with gun ownership. If you have your hand cut off for stealing as oposed to having a judge shake a finger and send you on your way you are more likely not to commit a crime again. The same goes for more violent crimes.

 

[G_Stines]

If by fatal crimes you mean Murder, you should check this out, because we only rank 24 on the murders committed per capita.

Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

Edit: This is also from NationMaster
"Using the United States as a point of reference, we arrive at the following conclusions:

Burglary – Widely believed as the gravest of property crimes, burglary is lower in US today than in the 80s. As of 2000, US has lower rates than Australia, Canada, Denmark, England, Finland, and Wales. It has higher rates than Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Spain.
Homicide – US had been consistently high in homicide rates than most of the Western countries from 1980 – 2000. Though the rate was cut almost in half in the 90s, it is still higher than all nations without political and social turmoil with the 2000 rate of 5.5 homicides per 100,000 people. Countries entrenched in turmoil like Colombia and South Africa, had 63 homicides per 100,000 and 51, respectively.

Rape – In the 80s and 90s, US rates were higher than most of the Western countries, but by 2000, Canada is leading. Rape reports are lower in Asia and the Middle East.

Robbery – The past 2 decades saw a steady decline in the US. Countries with more reported robberies than US include England, Wales, Portugal, and Spain. Those with fewer are France, Germany, and Italy, and Asian countries plus the Middle East.

In overall crimes (the total of all mentioned crimes), US ranks the highest, followed by Germany, United Kingdom, France, and South Africa."

 

[dom1104]

Indianapolis Indiana crime rate is as follows <circa 2008>

Robbery = 497 per 100k people per year
agg assault = 633 per 100k per year
rape = 58 etc etc etc
murder = 14
Total Violent Crime = 1024 per 100k people per year. 9735 violent crimes per year total.

Washington DC crime rate <they cant have guns there right?>
Robbery = 701
agg assault = 609
forcible rape = 31
murder = 31
total = 1375 per 100k 8135 per year total

 

[Eddie]

One thing to keep in mind is what is called the "dark figure" of crime statistics. Crime statisics are most commonly based off of reported crime. Not all crimes get reported. Rape in particular is thought to be a badly underreported crime. A county that has a higher incidence of reported rape might mean there is more rape in that country or it might mean it is safer in that country for a woman to step forward and report that she is raped. A low incidence of reported rape in a country that practiced "honor killings" would not neccessarily mean a low incidence of rape.

 

[dross]

If the fatal crime rate is higher, perhaps it's because we're better shots.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

With the drastic increase in firearms involved violent crimes, I was just wondering if the rate of crime and resulting fatality is higher in U.S as compared to say..

I'd say the U.S. has one of the highest crime rates of the Western world, but let's remember it's a very large.

The UK is quickly coming up in crime waves, with massive increase of Immigrants from 3rd world nations starting to become the majority.

uh.. United Kingdom or Japan, where the firearm possession is not legalized for general public.

Guns wont stop criminals. Look at prisions, the inmates still figure out how to kill people.
Guns merely allow a natural coward/thug the ability to prey.

If anyone has access to the relevant statistics, please share with the INGO community.

I was actually going to start looking into crime statistic's outside the western worlds, such as Japan.

There was a wise Chinese philosopher, who wondered aloud if man was born wicked or simply become wicked due to his external factors.

Science has proven the "Warrior" or as I call it, the criminal gene does exist; Therefore, one is able to be born as the spawn of satan, wicked, evil etc.
I believe certain "factors" of the enviroment will exploit this, while others can suppress or oppress it, but nonetheless, it will ALWAYS be there.

The Chinese, and many other Asian Nations are incredibly less politically correct than the West, and therefore they dont mind calling a duck a duck in the name of Science.

One thing you wont hear in America, is how Chinese Scientist recently discovered the oldest jaw bone from a Human; Was NOT found in Africa, which again dispells the Out of Africa THEORY.

I suppose if one believes in the latter, he can argue the firearm makes it easier for perp to carry out his evil deeds.

And then, once you reach this applicable theory does one seek to protect himself & family? What ought to be done?

However, if you are a Christian and believes in "Original Sin"", then man is hopelessly doomed the moment he was born, for he is inherently wicked and will have tendency to carry out evil deeds with or without the aid of firearms.

Makes me wonder ...

I'd reply to this, but the forum currently carries a no theological conversation rule.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

In Switzerland they have a very low crime rate. All citizens are required to carry a gun there.

I think all households are required to have a gun; usually a battle rifle.

 

[melensdad]

In Switzerland they have a very low crime rate. All citizens are required to carry a gun there.

I think all households are required to have a gun; usually a battle rifle.

NOPE.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

From what I've read, a person is required to keep his firearm in his home during his military service. After his service is up, he has the option of keeping the firearm (with full-auto function removed) in his home. He may choose not to keep the firearm and he is required to return the firearm to the authorities.

Correct?