If the constitution is the supreme law of the land....!

[BADWOLF]

There will always be agents of the government ready and willing to ensure your compliance to whatever laws that are on the books or whatever judgement comes down from the courts. Just ask the folks in the internment camps of WWI and WWII and the people disarmed in the aftermath of Katrina. You'll likely always be out numbered and out gunned.

Is that a reason not to? The founders knew if they lost the revolution that they would be tried for treason and hanged. They pledged their life their land and their fortunes. Knowing all could be forfeit........ Really?

 

[Stickfight]

And what would happen if the ATF did that and the next thing they knew the whole neighborhood was standing on their lawns watching with rifles, shotguns & pistols in hand.

Aside from the neighborhood dogs being shot, and all of those people being arrested?

 

[BADWOLF]

Just discussing history here.... Nothing else

 

[Stickfight]

If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and the rest were alive today. Do you think they would start a revolt?

No

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

One key difference is at the time of the DOI, the people of the colonies had little to no say in what was done to them, in the long list of greviences listed in that document. Not so today. We the people have done this to ourselves. Our current state was not the doing of some malevolent King. We voted for this crap. Big difference from what the founders' circumstances were.

 

[HoughMade]

One key difference is at the time of the DOI, the people of the colonies had little to no say in what was done to them, in the long list of greviences listed in that document. Not so today. We the people have done this to ourselves. Our current state was not the doing of some malevolent King. We voted for this crap. Big difference from what the founders' circumstances were.

Don't get in the way of the internet uber-patriots having their periodic pity party that results in.....nothing.

 

[BADWOLF]

One key difference is at the time of the DOI, the people of the colonies had little to no say in what was done to them, in the long list of greviences listed in that document. Not so today. We the people have done this to ourselves. Our current state was not the doing of some malevolent King. We voted for this crap. Big difference from what the founders' circumstances were.

We did this.....
Stick fight
I would call that a theoretical distinction rather than a practical one. They certainly don't behave as if they were our servants.

To ourselves?

 

[LPMan59]

In before the shooter?

 

[BADWOLF]

The founders knew an I'm guessing here, that they went by the old adage " power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely " when writing the Second Amendment. Sorry I just kind of gleaned that from reading The Federalist Papers

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

We did this.....
Stick fight
I would call that a theoretical distinction rather than a practical one. They certainly don't behave as if they were our servants.

To ourselves?

Yep. Little by little...election after election. We voted for progressive politicians that promised to fix problems with government solution that we called out for. Pick the legislation or court decision that draws your ire, and you'll find no king proclaimed it. The people either voted for it or voted for the people that nominated the justices that made the rulings that fit their agendas. This is self inflicted.

 

[BADWOLF]

 

[BADWOLF]

 

[HoughMade]

What's your plan?

 

[BADWOLF]

 

[BADWOLF]

Just putting it out their that in comparison to the men and women who founded this country we the American people for the majority are spineless and feckless, I remember when I was little my dad using the frase " don't rock the boat " I reminded him of that lately and told him because of his generation through to my great grandfather's generation who believed in that frase. Is why we as a country are in the predicament we are in. And I reminded him that the founding fathers were " Boat Rockers " themselves.

 

[BugI02]

If enough people are fed up..... Like I hear all the time on here you can't jail 6,000 people or more for disregarding invalid " laws " that arnt really laws to begin with. Since the " laws " by their nature are in direct conflict with the constitution.

And which heavily politicized, currently understaffed court has the final say on whether a law is constitutional or not?

 

[BADWOLF]

The exact wording of the Constitution decides which laws are unconstitutional or not

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not get.

Definition of infringement
1: the act of infringing : violation
2: an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

Courtesy of the Merriam Webster's Dictionary

 

[BADWOLF]

But I see so many on here and out in the real world that would fit the narrative of "First They Came - by Pastor Martin Niemoller"

 

[PaulF]

Hi.

Boat rockers. Indeed they were.

Good talk.

So...since we are on the topic of things that will absolutely get a user perma-banned from INGO, like, instantly...I think it's important to point to this:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...n/12952-posting-about-inciting-civil-war.html

Simply put: INGO does not allow discussion of insurrection.

So...I would ask anyone considering posting to be consider your position thoroughly, pick your words carefully, and tread delicately.

Oh, and IBTL...

 

[BADWOLF]

1: im not posting about inciting civil war unless your counting the WWtFFD.
But Yes remember folks please stick with historical and hypothetical representations and just in case
please please please do not use quotes from our founding fathers, founding documents & Federalist papers without TRIGER WARNINGS that must be placed one post before the possibly offending post.