Hamas Launches Infiltration, Rocket Attack on Israel

[BugI02]

Of course not...but it is reasonable to take the real-time reporting with a grain of salt, we have all seen the media run with a false narrative in the moment, only to quietly retract themselves once the fog of war has cleared.

The Zionist propaganda machine has been hard at work for over a hundred years now…they aren’t entirely clueless, and they are certainly providing some of the “reporting“ that gets to us over here.

The problem isn’t one of justification…that’s simple: the Israelis are absolutely justified in their immediate response to the Islamist aggression. The problem is a long-term one…for every islamist they kill today, two will take their place tomorrow, and in a few years some other spot just on the other side of the Israeli border will look exactly like Gaza did last week.

…and that’s not even addressing the clusterfuck of territories and fiefdoms that make up the West Bank, or the whole Jerusalem problem.

It’s simple to start wars there. The complicated part is figuring out how to end them before they result in genocide.

I believe history has shown that total warfare until unconditional surrender has worked against genocidal regimes in the past

 

[actaeon277]

What's their opinion on targeted slaughter of civilians?

Oh, that they overlook

 

[LeftyGunner]

Why is genocide being brought up? The only ones Israel is going after is Hamas and other terrorist groups. If 75% of Gaza are in these groups and do not surrender how is that genocide?

Wait…do you think I was cautioning against an Israeli-led genocide of Islam?

I bring up genocide because it is the islamist’s stated goal...it’s what the islamists hope to accomplish.

Israel has to strike a balance…to respond violently enough to keep the Islamists at arm‘s length (the farthest they will ever realistically be) without escalating the conflict to a fight to the last man.

Peace with Islam will be negotiated, if it is to happen at all…Israel cannot win a fight against Islam to the last man.

No one is concerned about a genocide of Islamists…morally or pragmatically.

 

[LeftyGunner]

I believe history has shown that total warfare until unconditional surrender has worked against genocidal regimes in the past

An unconditional surrender of Islam…to Israel?

We are going to have to up our recruiting numbers a bit for any chance of that ever happening.

 

[actaeon277]

Before Gaza, literally no other Arab nation wanted the "Palestinians". Jordan kicked them out, and nobody else wanted to take them in. There's probably a good reason for that.

EXACTLY!

 

[Route 45]

True enough.

But you never answered the first question. Maybe it was too hard.

I wonder how many years would have to go by after someone came in and took my land away from me based on a charter by a bunch of foreigners before I would just accept it?

This question? Well...how am I supposed to know what you would accept or how long it would take you?

If you're asking in a general sense...I suppose it would depend on the timeline. Don't see a lot of Native American terrorist attacks on settlers in the US these days. I hear that a lot of these "Palestinians" are imports from other countries. And most of these child killers and rapists don't really look old enough to have been around in 1948.

But this is the same strain of **** heads that are still killing each other over squabbles between different sects of their same fairy tale that has made them enemies for centuries, so I don't expect any kind of reasoned response to land disputes. Throw in their seething hatred of Jews, and about the best you can do is what Israel is doing right now.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

These people.

 

[Noble Sniper]

Strange that sow is usually always puking some illiterate filth…..

 

[BugI02]

An unconditional surrender of Islam…to Israel?

We are going to have to up our recruiting numbers a bit for any chance of that ever happening.

Disingenuous (and unsurprising). Israel is not fighting Islam, they are fighting Hamas. Embark on the total destruction of Gaza until what's left of Hamas surrenders unconditionally or total destruction is achieved. Either result is acceptable

 

[actaeon277]

that cost is everyday. It's not like Saturday the shut it all down and sent everyone home. That group is on deployment and will be somewhere operating until they return. The Med is just one of those locations we operate in.

Yup.
We have a fleet in the Med.
Ships rotate in and out of that fleet.

That money is already spent.


And we don't need the fleet there so that we can "open a new front", or to assist the Israelis, or attack another country.
But, if we send in a force (such as SEALs or Delta) they're gonna need backup, in case.
Anyone remember Somalia?
Didn't want heavier units there, cause of "proportional", or "don't escalate".
NO!
You need the backup there already. Even if it's not used, it needs to be there.
Cause if you need it, and it's not there...

 

[JTScribe]

I wonder how many years would have to go by after someone came in and took my land away from me based on a charter by a bunch of foreigners before I would just accept it?

So if a dozen Native Americans showed up at your front door demanding you leave their ancestral land and give them your house, you’d pack up and walk away?

There isn’t a square inch of ground in this world that hasn’t been fought over save for maybe Antarctica.

 

[JTScribe]

This question? Well...how am I supposed to know what you would accept or how long it would take you?

If you're asking in a general sense...I suppose it would depend on the timeline. Don't see a lot of Native American terrorist attacks on settlers in the US these days. I hear that a lot of these "Palestinians" are imports from other countries. And most of these child killers and rapists don't really look old enough to have been around in 1948.

But this is the same strain of **** heads that are still killing each other over squabbles between different sects of their same fairy tale that has made them enemies for centuries, so I don't expect any kind of reasoned response to land disputes. Throw in their seething hatred of Jews, and about the best you can do is what Israel is doing right now.

This was going on before 1948, too.

https://x.com/jeff_jacoby/status/1127546895382061058?s=46&t=blIC9ncRrHEblair_ilOUQ

 

[LeftyGunner]

Disingenuous (and unsurprising). Israel is not fighting Islam, they are fighting Hamas. Embark on the total destruction of Gaza until what's left of Hamas surrenders unconditionally or total destruction is achieved. Either result is acceptable

This doesn’t end with Hamas.

Hamas is a proxy...one of many that are interconnected and similarly motivated, and they exist outside of Gaza.

Israel can’t carpet bomb Jerusalem.

 

[actaeon277]

Its because they believe those innocents' deaths are honorable. They are martyrs for the cause and will be received in heaven as heroes. To them it is GOOD that those victims died.

While I may have been a glorified bus driver, I got to "drive" some very special people around.
And got familiar with terrorism and anti-terrorism, to some extent.

 

[foszoe]

So if a dozen Native Americans showed up at your front door demanding you leave their ancestral land and give them your house, you’d pack up and walk away?

There isn’t a square inch of ground in this world that hasn’t been fought over save for maybe Antarctica.

Like Route 45 said.

How long is long enough? That's one big question. Your example is centuries vs decades or even 2 or 3 generations with some still alive to remember the event.

 

[DadSmith]

So if a dozen Native Americans showed up at your front door demanding you leave their ancestral land and give them your house, you’d pack up and walk away?

Are you talking about Siberia, Mongolia, China, or some other Middle Eastern area? Because there are no native Americans.

 

[Ark]

Of course not...but it is reasonable to take the real-time reporting with a grain of salt, we have all seen the media run with a false narrative in the moment, only to quietly retract themselves once the fog of war has cleared.

The Zionist propaganda machine has been hard at work for over a hundred years now…they aren’t entirely clueless, and they are certainly providing some of the “reporting“ that gets to us over here.

The problem isn’t one of justification…that’s simple: the Israelis are absolutely justified in their immediate response to the Islamist aggression. The problem is a long-term one…for every islamist they kill today, two will take their place tomorrow, and in a few years some other spot just on the other side of the Israeli border will look exactly like Gaza did last week.

…and that’s not even addressing the clusterfuck of territories and fiefdoms that make up the West Bank, or the whole Jerusalem problem.

It’s simple to start wars there. The complicated part is figuring out how to end them before they result in genocide.

I've been around enough to know the atrocity porn playbook when I see it. A whole lot of this ultra-salacious Israeli nonsense reporting won't stand up to longer term scrutiny, but it doesn't have to. It serves it's purpose shutting down dissent or criticism.

Always the freaking babies, too. Saddam's killing babies, Russians are killing babies, Hamas is killing babies, Assad is gassing babies, etc etc.

I don't think Israel is intending a trucks and gas chambers genocide in Gaza, but unfortunately the reality of that overpopulated and enclosed space is that vast numbers of people will die in a full scale ground campaign. It's Fallujah, with 3 million people who can't evacuate first. I honestly question the IDF's ability to wage such a fight. 10% of Gazans taking up arms is 300,000 fighters.

 

[HoosierLife]

This was going on before 1948, too.

https://x.com/jeff_jacoby/status/1127546895382061058?s=46&t=blIC9ncRrHEblair_ilOUQ

My super liberal father in law sometimes talks about his dad that was posted around Northern Africa during WW2.

He said soldiers would sleep back to back so an Arab wouldn’t come up behind you, cut your throat, and rob you while you sleep.

We don’t agree on much.

Just Arabic barbarism and nuclear power…

 

[cobber]

EXACTLY!

Black September - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BugI02]

This doesn’t end with Hamas.

Hamas is a proxy...one of many that are interconnected and similarly motivated, and they exist outside of Gaza.

Israel can’t carpet bomb Jerusalem.

I suspect if every military age 'Palestinian' in Gaza was killed in short order and Gaza's infrastructure was severely degraded - and it was made clear similar organizations would be treated similarly - that you will have created another anniversary of martyrdom that might inspire occasional isolated attacks but any organization with a return address would be most reluctant to FAFO

In fact, it would be better if we went in and did some killing, too. What used to make it possible for Americans to go just about anywhere in safety was the promise of swift and certain destruction if it were otherwise. Taking Americans hostage should always be a death sentence, root and branch