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  • steve666

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    :evilangel:Thought so much of this that I stole it from another site just to share with you:

    Civil rights and double standards: Gun owners are forced to “show papers,” but media say illegal aliens shouldn’t have to?
    By Tim Inwood

    Buckeye Firearms Foundation - Ohio

    I’ve been watching with some interest the fallout over the new Arizona law dealing with illegal aliens. I hear the news media moaning that the new law “makes it a crime to be an illegal alien.”

    I’m not joking, that is exactly how they phrased it on several networks and cable news shows. Wow, that is what I always thought illegal meant. I really wish the media would think about what they utter.

    I hear President Obama, the ACLU and pro immigrant liberals in general say that to ask someone to show identification to prove they are an American citizen is a violation of their civil rights. These same folks, as I recall, told us that asking someone to show ID when voting is a violation of their civil rights as well.

    So now I am a bit confused?
    With such a broad definition of what a civil right is, and the slightest inconvenience in enforcing the law an outrage, will someone please explain something to me? Why, when using the above logic, that when exercising your civil right to buy and own a gun you have to show identification and undergo a background check to purchase that gun?

    After all, the U.S. Supreme Court told us in the 2008 Heller decision that gun ownership is a constitutionally protected civil right. Also, tell me why when it comes to bearing those arms, a specifically enumerated constitutionally protected right, we must take concealed carry classes, pay high fees and again undergo additional background checks, fingerprinting and submit a specific size photograph to the state to do something specifically protected by the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and Article 1 section 4 of Ohio’s Constitution. Was not turning a right into a state-issued privilege a violation of our rights?

    As I am writing this I am watching politicians and media talking heads saying this new law in Arizona is pure fascism and Nazi-like demands to “show their papers.” Oh really!

    As a concealed handgun license-holder in Ohio, in any encounter with a police officer I am required under penalty of law to disclose I am a CHL-holder (if I am carrying), and then show identification. Funny how I don’t see my fellow CHL holders protesting or rioting over that.

    Prior to 1968 in the United States, citizens in most states could buy firearms via mail order with no identification. You just clipped out the ad, told the dealer what you wanted, sent in your check and your postal carrier delivered the gun to your door, with ammo if you ordered that too. I am old enough to remember those days. However, all that ended with the Gun Control Act of 1968, a law largely written by Democrat Senator Thomas Dodd, father of current Senator Chris Dodd. The 1968 U.S. law was largely based on a gun control law written in 1938 that Dodd Sr. learned about while serving on the staff of those prosecuting war criminals in Nuremberg following World War II. That law forced firearm purchasers to show identification “papers” and registry of those arms. Who wrote this law? The National Socialist German government! That is where we got the U.S. 1968 Gun Control Act! That is unarguably a Nazi piece of legislation where you do have to show “papers.” So I have to ask, where is the screaming and gnashing of teeth about that Nazi law?

    Where is the media’s and President Obama’s outrage over this truly NAZI violation of civil rights? I’d love to hear the tortured logic. After all, the crime rate among American gun owners is far lower than that of illegal aliens.

    Meanwhile, let’s enforce the laws and protect our borders.

    Tim Inwood is the current Legislative Liaison and Past President of the Clinton County Farmers and Sportsmen Association, an Endowment Member of the NRA and Life Member of the OGCA, Republican Central Committeeman for Chester Township A, in Clinton County, Ohio, and a volunteer for Buckeye Firearms Association
     

    Colt556

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    The double standards in this country are many and blatantly obvious to those that look with open eyes.
     

    Gabrielvox1

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    Oh that's easy. The majority of legal gun owners are not oriented towards voting liberal, therefore protections for them don't need to be provided. And that's putting it nicely) These same people really loathe anyone who wants to have a firearm as it could potential pose a problem to their powergrab. It's really quite insidious.
     

    88GT

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    Dang it, guys.

    If illegals had to show documentation identifying them as illegals, it would clearly be a violation of their 5th amendment right against self-incrimination.

    Wasn't sure about the purple though. I'm extremely confident in the left's propensity to use that.
     

    Ol' Wiley

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    Gotta love it!
     

    JDonhardt

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    Isnt it strange that there are people out there who really believe that rightfully owning a gun is evil while sneaking into the country and living as an illegal immigrant is virtuous? Weird.
     

    JBusch8899

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    It's really very simple:

    Illegal Immigrants = GOOD

    [STRIKE]American Gun Owners[/STRIKE] Citizens who read and understand the constitution, as well as demand accountability of their government to perform their respective jobs and respect the rights of it's citizens = BAD!

    On a serious note, the irony is striking.


    FIFY
     

    groovatron

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    :evilangel:Thought so much of this that I stole it from another site just to share with you:

    snip.

    So now I am a bit confused?
    With such a broad definition of what a civil right is, and the slightest inconvenience in enforcing the law an outrage, will someone please explain something to me? Why, when using the above logic, that when exercising your civil right to buy and own a gun you have to show identification and undergo a background check to purchase that gun?
    snip.




    Slightest inconvenience? Really....ya think? How many folks on this board constantly complain about having to unreasonably show ID or LTCH. Some will do anything to avoid it simply based on the fact that they believe it's a direct violation of civil rights. But now if you are profiled by the cops and forced to present your birth certificate (if you have one), it's just the "slightest inconvenience." Hypocrisy anyone?

    Now, I do realize that the media has blown this way out of proportion. The law was not intended to randomly stop every Mexican on the street. But, like any law, law enforcement will use it in many different ways, whether ethical or not. What is a "reasonable" request for papers has yet to be determined by AZ. How would all you feel if you were asked to prove your citizenship because you're standing outside of the Home Depot eating a hot dog? Probably not to good.

    Instead of complaining about the media hype and leftist protesters, I'd like to see more folks concentrate on protecting law abiding citizens from unreasonable search and siezure.........whether it pertains to carrying a weapon, proving your citizenship, or any other controversial rights issue. Don't loose sight and be blinded by your personal feelings about illegals.

    FTW.....I do believe that illegals should be deported. Illegal immigration is simply unfair to those who are legally waiting in line. I just don't want to see the fear and hate get in the way of my own personal liberties. It's very similar to what the terrorists did alla 911.:twocents:
     

    9lock

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    So now I am a bit confused?
    Well maybe I can help, The Left use the 1st Amendment to trash the 2nd Amendment, the Right use the 1st Amendment to trash the 4th Amendment, they give themselves pay raises every year and expect the rest of the country to live on minimum wage, notice the same basic agenda and they have people convinced we still have a two party system, now for some unkown reason (could have been a movie) I always thought A violation of oath against your country was considered treason.
     
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