Gun Violence Disaster Emergency Declared in New York

[wtburnette]

Always love hearing from Dana:

 

[KLB]

WTF? Seriously? Not harsher sentencing for the use of a firearm in during the commission of a crime? Use of a firearm during the commission of a crime DOES deserve, and NEED a much harsher sentence. Where do you people come from? GGGRRRRRRRR.

How can you be PRO gun and think that a crime should be more harshly punished merely because it was committed with a gun? Seriously, how is a crime worse based upon the use of a gun? Is someone more dead if killed by one?

We constantly have to fight this stigma attached to guns, and you are buying right into it. How can you argue that guns are not bad, when you agree that a crime is worse if one is used in the commission of that crime?

Someone should be punished for the CRIME committed, not the tool that was used nor the words that were said.

 

[gregr]

How can you be PRO gun and think that a crime should be more harshly punished merely because it was committed with a gun? Seriously, how is a crime worse based upon the use of a gun? Is someone more dead if killed by one?

We constantly have to fight this stigma attached to guns, and you are buying right into it. How can you argue that guns are not bad, when you agree that a crime is worse if one is used in the commission of that crime?

Someone should be punished for the CRIME committed, not the tool that was used nor the words that were said.

We will just DISAGREE on this. For law-abiding gun owners, our guns are for defensive purposes ONLY. ANYONE who uses a firearm in the commission of a crime NEEDS to be punished MUCH more harshly, that`s my position, and I think you`re WAY off base on this.

 

[actaeon277]

If you kill someone with a bat, it's less of a crime?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If you kill someone with a bat, it's less of a crime?

Look at how many people China killed with a "bat"...

 

[gregr]

If you kill someone with a bat, it's less of a crime?

No one said that. The fact is, we`re not awash in bat murders in the U.S., but we ARE awash in ghetto rats murdering with firearms. These animals need to be taken off the streets one way or another, and adding harsh time and penalties for using a firearm during the commission of a crime is THE way to do that. This does nothing to our Second Amendment rights, since we`re all law-abiding and aren`t preying on anyone. I fail to see ANY issue whatsoever with this, and you can have your opinion, but I`ll certainly keep mine.

 

[Bugzilla]

“ and you can have your opinion, but I`ll certainly keep mine.”

This is one thing the socialist, fascist, communist, democratic regime taking over our country will not allow!

 

[harleymac1]

I would be willing to be bet if we had weekly crime with gun stats for his entire tenure up to this point we would find that there have been worse times than now. Begs the question why this loser has not taken care of this business already. Oh, nevermind.

 

[wtburnette]

‘How Is This Happening?’: Minnesota Police Chiefs Decry Surge In Gun Violence, Say They Have ‘Never Seen’ It Like This Before

A number of police chiefs in Hennepin County, Minnesota, said Wednesday that their cities are witnessing a level of gun violence they have never seen before.

dailycaller.com

Sounds like another Progressive state where the leaders, at least on the LEO side, are waking up to the effects of their city's Progressive POS policies. Revolving door of justice = no justice at all. Start actually putting ****head criminals in jail and crime might actually go down. Who would have thought?

 

[Steel and wood]

I always hear people say we need more police which I think we do. But what I think we need is a bigger spot light on prosecutors.
The police do there job and then the prosecution fails the people.
Marion county and other Progressive cities can’t and won’t be hard on criminals because that is there base.

 

[grillak]

Is this a lightfoot ploy to use covid funds for other things??????? chicago mayor declared racism as a disaster emergency of some sort to get millions of dollars out of the covid monies!!!!!!!

why yes it is. if i find the link where it was suggested that governors use covid monies to combat the rise in gun violence, i'll edit this.

 

[grillak]

So they just start releasing criminals with no bail, not prosecuting them, crime goes up and it’s because guns started going off on their ****ing own all over town?

but...but...that it was that mean ole gun's fault. my grandson din do nuffin...just cus he was holdin it dont mean it's his fault.

 

[grillak]

I always hear people say we need more police which I think we do. But what I think we need is a bigger spot light on prosecutors.
The police do there job and then the prosecution fails the people.
Marion county and other Progressive cities can’t and won’t be hard on criminals because that is there base.

they cater to the ones who contribute very little, if anything, to society.

madness, i say...madness.

 

[grillak]

‘How Is This Happening?’: Minnesota Police Chiefs Decry Surge In Gun Violence, Say They Have ‘Never Seen’ It Like This Before

A number of police chiefs in Hennepin County, Minnesota, said Wednesday that their cities are witnessing a level of gun violence they have never seen before.

dailycaller.com

Sounds like another Progressive state where the leaders, at least on the LEO side, are waking up to the effects of their city's Progressive POS policies. Revolving door of justice = no justice at all. Start actually putting ****head criminals in jail and crime might actually go down. Who would have thought?

i've been arguing for years about the legal system in this county. i lay no blame on leo. i actually sympathize with them. i could not put up with the bs that comes from the prosecutors, judges, and mayor in this county.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/local-rapper-had-just-released-164600998.html

check out some of the charges against the "victims".

they have a plan...

 

[grillak]

Look at how many people China killed with a "bat"...

awwww....

seriously though...i thought the bat was a victim in all this. after all, he was the one eaten.

 

[grillak]

why yes it is. if i find the link where it was suggested that governors use covid monies to combat the rise in gun violence, i'll edit this.

*edit* it was slomotion joe! just saw him on the news.

 

[wtburnette]

i've been arguing for years about the legal system in this county. i lay no blame on leo. i actually sympathize with them. i could not put up with the bs that comes from the prosecutors, judges, and mayor in this county.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/local-rapper-had-just-released-164600998.html

check out some of the charges against the "victims".

they have a plan...

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it, they want the criminals to run rampant and law abiding citizens unarmed. All part of the undoing of America.

 

[GIJEW]

I'm guessing that KLB and gregr didn't really hear each other out.

On the one hand KLB is absolutely right that we need to push back against the media stigmatizing guns.
Ranting about "gun violence" as opposed to any other kind of "lethal violent violence", is no accident. Ditto with other jargon like "active shooter" instead of "active murderer". Most of us are active shooters...with squeaky clean records.

On the other hand, if the goal is to sweep thugs off the streets and keep them off, then why not add jail time for abusing their weapon of choice? Remember "Operation Exile" during GWBs 2nd term? Federal and local prosecutors tagg-teamed criminals with state and fed charges. Between them, the sentences were decades long--even without shooting anyone.

Of course, that would require that senile usurper-in-chief telling his AG to refocus his attention from AZ election audits and GA election reform...

 

[Bob801]

This is another attempt to use emotional rhetoric to stir people to ignore the Constitution and trample rights. This is based in the disintegration of the traditional family. It has NOTHING to do with firearms whatsoever.

You’re right


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[KLB]

I'm guessing that KLB and gregr didn't really hear each other out.

On the one hand KLB is absolutely right that we need to push back against the media stigmatizing guns.
Ranting about "gun violence" as opposed to any other kind of "lethal violent violence", is no accident. Ditto with other jargon like "active shooter" instead of "active murderer". Most of us are active shooters...with squeaky clean records.

On the other hand, if the goal is to sweep thugs off the streets and keep them off, then why not add jail time for abusing their weapon of choice? Remember "Operation Exile" during GWBs 2nd term? Federal and local prosecutors tagg-teamed criminals with state and fed charges. Between them, the sentences were decades long--even without shooting anyone.

Of course, that would require that senile usurper-in-chief telling his AG to refocus his attention from AZ election audits and GA election reform...

I don't agree with any goal of just sweeping thugs off of the street. If they commit an actual crime, prosecute them and punish them according to the law they broke. Adding time for using a gun is silly. I still equate it to hate speech. Let's make a law that says that something other than the crime committed can add jail time to an offense. Whether it is the specific weapon you used or the words you said, they are both stupid.

We don't need more people in our jails. We need to get the underlying problems fixed. Our "War on Drugs" is an abject failure. The money involved in the drug trade incentivizes people to violence. As stated above, Prohibition 2.0 got us to the same place the first one did. This one has just been going on a lot longer. Long enough that generations have grown up with the influence shoved in their faces. Combined with the deterioration of the nuclear family and poverty, many kids grow up seeing the gangs or sports as their only path. Obviously sports is not going to work for all but a very small percentage.

There is not going to be a quick and easy fix to these problems. I don't even know if there is one at this point.