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So it's downtown. Downtown's big. The shooting happened near Circle Center Mall. Not the same as happening at an IBE event itself.
But what did IBE do or not do that leads you to believe they tolerate the behaviour? What are they supposed to do, just not hold the Expo at all because the event draws some thugs? Does the IMS "tolerate" public intoxication because they hold the Indy 500 and Brickyard 400?
There are people shot EVERY year. This was just the worst. You would not believe the number of businesses vandalized during the second Saturday night. It's always been the kids that were the problem. They were not there to attend the events but they were there because of the expo and to run free...causing trouble. Think of the kids at the Circle City Mall every weekend with NO supervision and multiply that 10 fold. The mile square becomes thier playground. If we cannot get parents to watch their kids, we need to remove the reason they flock to downtown.
Joe Williams
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So... since you seem to be claiming that IBE has nothing to do with the crime that seems to spike during the event, do you have another explanation?
Or is Indy routinely experiencing 10 shootings a night, but the news is only reporting it during IBE?
"Nothing"'s a big, broad word, so, no, I don't claim that IBE has "nothing" to do with the crime. The crime is certainly related to the event, but in the sense that events draw crowds, and IBE draws among the worst, when compared to, say the youth that FFA or GenCon draw. I think that event sponsors' have some responsibilities for the crowds they draw, but I don't claim to know at what points those responsibilities begin and end.
I know that if my house got burglarized or vandalized every other Memorial Day weekend (I live about 1.5 mi from the track), I'd sure feel that IMS had some freakin' responsibility for it. What exactly I would expect them to do about it, I have no idea.
Don't give them any ideas.
Keith_Indy
Master
Just based on this I'd say he wasn't qualified to do the job.
Makes me think we should organize an Open Carry Night on the Circle, to show that it's not the guns that are the problem.
Don't worry, they can come up with perfectly stupid ideas all on their own.
Keith_Indy
Master
It's not the event, it's the thugs that go to the event.
True, but if you cannot separate the wheat from the chaff what are you going to do? If the event attracts thugs, can we keep the thugs from showing up? If we cannot, we will need to remove the thing that attracts them in the first place.
Joe Williams
Shooter
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Wouldn't put it past them to try... and hope no one noticed the eminent domain issues LOL
Keith_Indy
Master
They're not seizing any land though, so I don't think eminent domain is an issue.
Don't forget they're already planning on doing something like this for the Super Bowl in 2012.
I have to wonder, how many people attend the Indy 1500 over it's course vs the # who attend the IBE.
Violence at the Indy 1500, well, I've never heard of any, just a few cases of accidental/negligent discharges.
Violence at the IBE, seems to occur every year lately.
Ever consider Curfew Violations? We used to have tons of problems with the little chumps out running the streets all night stealing and tearing stuff up. I started charging every single juvenile I found out past curfew. I would tell them to tell all their friends we are looking for them and they will be charged. Our problems went away.
I know there is a big difference between where I work and Inpls. but it sure wouldn't hurt anything.
I remember the first couple years I worked for Public Safety IPD had to send out ready reaction forces to clear the streets after the Saturday night violence. That happened at least two years running. The heavy police presence for the Indy 500 festivities and the other auto races has been primarily for traffic control, as opposed to crowd control. If you want to contrast Black Expo with something similar, how about the annual black college football game and parade held here every year (Sorry I don't remember the title). Seldom hear about any violence associated with that event.
Circle City Classic, held in October.
