First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win

[rambone]

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Ghandi



When it comes to Ron Paul, "they" have decided that it is time to fight.

Today, in synchronized fashion, Ron Paul took salvos from both Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity on their radio shows.

After Ron Paul's successful exposé of frontrunner Newt Gingrich in the ad, "Serial Hypocrisy," and Ron Paul's position in 2nd place in Iowa, the neocon Establishment is getting nervous that Paul is dangerously close to breaking their grip on power.



Limbaugh recap: 12/06/2011 ~12:30 pm

A caller from Amanda, Ohio called in and disagreed with Limbaugh's previous segment where Limbaugh was saying that anybody could beat Obama (not just Romney). Rush had named every candidate except Paul and Huntsman.

The caller said that the Tea Party support is based on honesty and following the constitution. The caller then said only three people adhere to that - Paul, Bachmann, and Santorum and he was leaning toward Ron Paul.

Then Rush asked, "Do you really think the Tea Party will rally around Ron Paul?" The caller replied that Paul is polling second in Iowa. Limbaugh uncomfortably said, "I wouldn't be surprised if Ron Paul wins Iowa." He downplayed it, then left for commercial break saying "I have been shaken, but not stirred."

After the commercial break, Limbaugh regained his senses and realized what a positive thing he had just said about Ron Paul on the air. He assumed full attack mode. He said, "The Tea Party has nothing to do with Ron Paul, zero, zilch, nada!"

He went on to say that Paul doesn’t have a "Tea Party foreign policy," and is the only candidate who doesn't meet that standard. He finishes up with something about Iran wanting to nuke America and that Ron Paul blames America for 9/11.


LIMBAUGH IS WRONG AND THE FIGHT IS ON!!

Ron Paul is more relevant than any of these Establishment gatekeepers care to admit.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8

 

[jeremy]

And this changes anything how?!

 

[rambone]

Ron Paul & the Tea Party movement

The Tea Party started in 2007 as Ron Paul groups were trying to come up with creative ideas to get earned media attention. Ron Paul was being blocked from debates and polls, and supporters had to resort to unconventional methods to get the message out. Various groups came up with an idea to reenact the Boston Tea Party, dropping large boxes of tea into lakes and rivers; their boxes were labeled with various government agencies that they would like to see abolished.

When I organized a local Tea Party for 2 years, we agreed that our mission statement would be strictly about financial issues. We weren't going to hold protests over the validity of social and foreign policies. It was all about cutting spending across the board. The group did not give official endorsements to any candidate, but had a lot of very pro-Paul members.

To say that "Ron Paul has nothing to do with the Tea Party" is a ridiculous lie. And if there is such a thing as a "Tea Party foreign policy," it certainly isn't the status quo policy of endless war without declaration.

Videos from 2007:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNiDx7qTjA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8

 

[jeremy]

And once again I'll ask how does this change anything?!

 

[rambone]

And this changes anything how?!

And once again I'll ask how does this change anything?!

The #1 radio host in the country said that Ron Paul could win Iowa on his show. That gives the Ron Paul candidacy a lot of legitimacy. His attacks of Paul show that Paul is being effective. This changes things because I believe this marks the phase where Paul can no longer be ignored and obscured from the dittoheads' view. Now he'll be discussed, and attacked.

 

[sepe]

Sweet baby jeebus, Rush is the #1 radio host in the country? I don't get off on people pushing their hate/ignorance/jackassery via radio or tv so I didn't know. I really might switch from the RP camp to the Cain/Newt/Satan camp. If the majority of talk radio listeners tune into that blowhard, they must want this country to speed up on the downward spiral.

 

[Kase]

I'll listen to Rush from time to time, but disagree with him A LOT. For some reason he has a grudge against Paul, and thinks he has no chance of winning.

Just ignore Limbaugh's BS. Its all about ratings.

 

[Pocketman]

I'll listen to Rush from time to time, but disagree with him A LOT. For some reason he has a grudge against Paul, and thinks he has no chance of winning.

Just ignore Limbaugh's BS. Its all about ratings.

 

[rambone]

Here's an article discusses the Limbaugh comments from yesterday.

Rush Limbaugh: “Ron Paul Has Nothing To Do With The Tea Party”

Apparently Limbaugh slept through the entire 2007 Republican primary campaign. Reacting to a self-identified tea party caller that suggested Rep. Ron Paul, Rep. Michele Bachmann, and former Senator Rick Santorum were the only true conservatives left in the race, Limbaugh reacted in shock at the idea that Rep. Paul would be associated with the Tea Party because “he has nothing in common with Tea Party foreign policy.” Except the first group to use the term “Tea Party,” as is well documented, were Rep. Paul supporters.

The caller that so infuriated Limbaugh called to argue that “Newt Gingrich is the RINO’s RINO” for his “well-known progressive” stances, and that he was leaning towards a vote for Rep. Paul, who to him represented “trust, justice, and constitutional leadership.” This left Limbaugh upset. “This guy is not a Tea Party caller; this guy is a Ron Paul caller,” he told his audience. He then went to argue explicitly: “the Tea Party is not the Ron Paul campaign. Ron Paul has nothing to do with the Tea Party– zilch, zero, nada.” This, he asserted, was because of his foreign policy. “Ron Paul blames America for 9/11,” he continued, “that’s not what the Tea Party thinks!” He also argued that Paul did not “start the Tea Party,” a fairly well-documented fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8lGZuNWzas


Truth:
Paul has said that our presence in the Middle East provided the main motivation for the 9/11 attacks. In any terrorist attack, only those committing the violent act can be blamed.

Rush's Spin:
Paul blames America for 9/11.

Truth:
Paul said those those at Occupy Wall Street can be categorized into those who want more handouts and those who are tired of paying for them. He is with those who are tired of paying for them

Rush's Spin:
Paul supports Occupy Wall Street 100%.

Truth:
Paul blames the current recession on Federal Reserve manipulation and excessive debt created by individuals, corporations, and government.

Rush's Spin:
Paul blames the recession on Wall Street.

 

[rambone]

Rush needs to read Ron Paul's reading list that he provided to Rudy Giuliani.

The 9-11 Commission Report, Final Edition. National Commission on Terrorist Attacks. Barnes & Noble Publishing: NY, NY, 2006
Imperial Hubris Scheuer, Michael. Potomac Books: Washington, DC, 2004.
Blowback Johnson, Chalmers. Henry Holt and Company: New York, NY.* 2000.
Dying to Win Pape, Robert A. Random House: New York, NY, 2005.​

 

[rambone]

From another forum.

He's wrong and probably knowingly lying. We had the first tea party on December 16, 2007. We used it to raise money, but the focus and symbolism was already there and it was nationwide. Paul supporters had already adopted the gadsen flag and focused on the importance of the constitution and the founding father's. At the time, Glenn Beck was calling us terrorists for using violent rhetoric ie "money bomb", "revolution", but obviously noted we were building a movement. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rc4OJWH1nE&NR=1 After Obama was in office, FOX gave Glenn Beck a national stage so he could co-opt our movement and ruin it. It worked to a large extent, but not completely. All of us are still here!

THE LEAD UP:
Boston Tea Party World Record Attempt for Ron Paul (Revolution)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0h69EazA0M
Rand Paul at Ron Paul Tea Party 2007 - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNjz...eature=related
Inflation Tax! WITH RICK SANTELLI SUPPORTING RON PAUL, WHO HE OBVIOUSLY FOLLOWS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-FsemzepQ
Ron Paul | Boston Tea Party | We're Listening (1:20)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5UQ...ext=1&index=16
Ron Paul...Tea Party '07 (Blues)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlkrSqOCQBI
Ron Paul: 300 (Electoral Votes) - Tea Party 07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmIHlomF7hs
Ron Paul Media-Trix 2008 (just for fun)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vthdr96EDnE

TEA PARTIES ACROSS AMERICA 2007:
NY Ron Paul NYC Meetup Tea Party Official Video December 16th - NY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUfYtdshDuQ
MODESTO Tea Party 07 Ron Paul - MODESTO Meetup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jvuf0rEcCE
MASS Ron Paul | Boston Tea Party Rally | Rand Paul (5/22)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cflovYEoEu0
EUGENE OREGON Tea Party -- Ron Paul Style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2m8SnZAW2s
LOS ANGELES Ron Paul Tea Party 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGB8BeUWtwA
Washington DC Ron Paul Tea Party prep - Billary Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StkdFZB-ZZI
ROCKFORD ILLINOIS Ron Paul Rockford Tea Party - Walking for Freedom & Liberty!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi4UQBnxWFY
SANTA MONICA PIER Ron Paul Tea Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNP1-bokv2g
NEW HAMPSHIRE Trevor Lyman - Nov 5th & Tea Party 07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr06hlS8S70
FANEUIL HALL Reverend Lee Button at Ron Paul Tea Party 2007 - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hdv...eature=related
AUSTIN, TEXAS Ron Paul Tea Party Day - (Let's Shake It Up!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9F0V89hUGk
AUSTIN TEA PARTY 07 RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT! - TEXAS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDGpG9BpMRk
F.R.E.E.port, TEXAS
Ron Paul and Family at F.R.E.E.port Tea Party TEXAS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ZjcnWf9hA
LAS VEGAS Ron Paul Tea Party Part One - NEVADA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBSiL...eature=related

TEA PARTIES AROUND THE WORLD 2007:
NEW ZEALAND Ron Paul Boston Tea Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f997-10oNo
US EMBASSY New Zealand Ron Paul Tea Party Global Boogie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GINIZ_ho24
STRASBOURG - EUROPE for RON PAUL Tea Party -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07TVBLFroSM
DUBAI Dubai to Boston Tea Party Celebration GO RON GO RON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SF48LbXQs

 

[88GT]

The #1 radio host in the country said that Ron Paul could win Iowa on his show. That gives the Ron Paul candidacy a lot of legitimacy. His attacks of Paul show that Paul is being effective. This changes things because I believe this marks the phase where Paul can no longer be ignored and obscured from the dittoheads' view. Now he'll be discussed, and attacked.

LOL, the level of attack directed toward a candidate is a reflection of how well that candidate is wooing voters (ostensibly from other candidates). So much makes sense now.

 

[rambone]

LOL, the level of attack directed toward a candidate is a reflection of how well that candidate is wooing voters (ostensibly from other candidates). So much makes sense now.

Yes.

 

[88GT]

Yes.

Wow. You admitted Paul isn't getting the voters. How very chivalrous of you.

 

[88GT]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/u...romney-and-gingrich.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp

If the object of attack is seen as the greatest threat, then Paul is not a concern to the WH. Go figure.

On a side note, ironic they used the horse racing analogy too.

 

[Double T]

People still listen to Rush Limbaugh?

 

[rambone]

12/9/2011

Limbaugh was gunning for Ron Paul again today. He says that he's dangerous and nutty. Then distorted his foreign policy views. He said that Ron Paul speaks "Democrat talk."

Then he immediately said that the "long knives" are out for poor Newt. Rush says that "the Establishment doesn't like Newt Gingrich" -- LOL.

Funniest of all: Rush said that some people are speculating that the Establishment will cause Gingrich to lose, just like they did to super-conservative Barry Goldwater. What Rush fails to mention is that Newt Gingrich himself, in the flesh, helped defeat Barry Goldwater. Gingrich was the State Chairman for the Nelson Rockefeller campaign in 1968.

The lies and double-speak are hard to keep up with.

 

[steveh_131]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/u...romney-and-gingrich.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp

If the object of attack is seen as the greatest threat, then Paul is not a concern to the WH. Go figure.

On a side note, ironic they used the horse racing analogy too.

There are different battles being fought with different agendas.

The primary is upcoming. That means as far as the GOP is concerned, they are in "then they fight you" mode. They already ignored him and laughed at him.

The actual election is still a ways away. That means the white house is still in "First they ignore you" mode. The rest would more likely happen after the primary, if he gets the nomination.

 

[88GT]

There are different battles being fought with different agendas.

The primary is upcoming. That means as far as the GOP is concerned, they are in "then they fight you" mode. They already ignored him and laughed at him.

The actual election is still a ways away. That means the white house is still in "First they ignore you" mode. The rest would more likely happen after the primary, if he gets the nomination.

Go ahead and spin it that way if it makes you feel better. If they thought Paul had a chance of becoming the nominee, they'd be targeting him. If Rambone is right, they should want Romney or Gingrinch to be the nominee.

 

[steveh_131]

Go ahead and spin it that way if it makes you feel better. If they thought Paul had a chance of becoming the nominee, they'd be targeting him.

Exactly. They don't think he has a chance, so they're ignoring him (which is phase 1).