Does Michigan recognize Indiana LTCH?

[Tankerdave]

Wife and I making a trip to Michigan and want to make sure we won't have any problems if we take our edc with us. What I found on line if I read correctly was Michigan recognizes Indiana, but just want to sure and within the law.

 

[Joniki]

Yes

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf

 

[Shoots4Fun]

It looks like as long as you have an Indiana permit AND are still an Indiana resident, you're good to go...

Indiana CCW Reciprocity | YouCanCarry.com

 

[Tankerdave]

Thank you Joniki and Shoots4fun for the reply. I thought so but wanted to be sure and not have any problems and have a safe trip.

 

[Bigtanker]

Just make sure to tell the officer you are carrying when you get pulled over. MI is a must inform state.

 

[throttletony]

If u r indiana resident with indiana LTCH, then yes.
Beware that local rules apply:
- must inform
- not at entertainment venues with over 2500 seats
- not at places where alcohol is main source of income ("bars")
- not at sports "arenas or stadiums"
- not at schools and school property
- not at daycares
- not at churches without written permission
- not at hospitals and casinos
- not at classrooms or dorms of colleges/universities (though some universities like Mich St. and U of M were given authority to make it illegal anywhere on campus -- more severe than Indiana's approach which is more like a policy violation)

That's directly from the back of Michigan's CPL card (not called a LTCH here in MI)

 

[throttletony]

not at churches without written permission... lol

 

[chipbennett]

If u r indiana resident with indiana LTCH, then yes.
Beware that local rules apply:
- must inform
- not at entertainment venues with over 2500 seats
- not at places where alcohol is main source of income ("bars")
- not at sports "arenas or stadiums"
- not at schools and school property
- not at daycares
- not at churches without written permission
- not at hospitals and casinos
- not at classrooms or dorms of colleges/universities (though some universities like Mich St. and U of M were given authority to make it illegal anywhere on campus -- more severe than Indiana's approach which is more like a policy violation)

That's directly from the back of Michigan's CPL card (not called a LTCH here in MI)

I assume that the Michigan CPL open carry "loophole" on school property applies to LTCH holders, as well?

 

[throttletony]

I assume that the Michigan CPL open carry "loophole" on school property applies to LTCH holders, as well?

Not sure

 

[chipbennett]

If i understand your question, open carry is generally resticted in the same areas.
No license needed for open carry, just for concealed.

But in Michigan, one can open carry on school property, if in possession of a CPL. It is a strange arrangement of statutes, which is why I referred to it as a "loophole".

 

[Tankerdave]

Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. Wife and I both have our LTCH for Indiana and are thinking of going to Cabela's in Dundee and wanted to make sure we are legal. Would rather be safe and informed than sorry. Again thank you for all the info.

 

[singlesix]

not at places where alcohol is main source of income ("bars")

I guess we need to ask for a Income Statement . Yeah this one is a bit concerning, when I was in Mich, I stuck to the chain places (not that you can find mom and pop resturannt/bars).

 

[throttletony]

But in Michigan, one can open carry on school property, if in possession of a CPL. It is a strange arrangement of statutes, which is why I referred to it as a "loophole".

Thanks.
I edited my answer.
I know a similar argument can be made for carrying (open) in liquor stores. Not sure how it would actually shake out in court

 

[chipbennett]

Thanks.
I edited my answer.
I know a similar argument can be made for carrying (open) in liquor stores. Not sure how it would actually shake out in court

I know that Ann Arbor (shocking, I know...) has challenged it at least a couple times, by attempting to ban open carry by CPL holders on AA school property - and have been smacked down by the State's preemption statute.

 

[throttletony]

I know that Ann Arbor (shocking, I know...) has challenged it at least a couple times, by attempting to ban open carry by CPL holders on AA school property - and have been smacked down by the State's preemption statute.

I'm in Ann Arbor... this is interesting to know.
I'll look into it a bit more. Any details that you care to share (references to names, dates, outcomes from court, etc)?

 

[Spike Jones 5 2002]

If pulled over in MI. place your permit over your driver's lic. as you hand it to the officer.
Better than calling out I have weapon.
I keep them together in one wallet window.
it happened to me in Indiana. When the officer seen my permit.
he asked if I was carrying. I said, YES.
he asked where. I told him.
he said just do not move towards. I said Definitely not.
I think he appreciated that. he returned and just said, slow down and have a great day.

Then again, many years later, i was not carrying. I let the permit drop on the passenger seat in plane view.
He took a good look at it, did not say a thing. This time i got a written warning.
At any time I think better be open about and better be safe than sorry.

 

[chipbennett]

I'm in Ann Arbor... this is interesting to know.
I'll look into it a bit more. Any details that you care to share (references to names, dates, outcomes from court, etc)?

Start here, for example:

New bill would get rid of open-carry loophole | Michigan Radio

There are a couple of cases in the works, currently falling under Appeals Court decisions (one affirming, and the other reversing, earlier district court rulings) that school districts *can* ban guns (both of which are likely to be appealed further, on the basis of state pre-emption):

Judge throws out lawsuit challenging Ann Arbor schools' gun ban | Michigan Radio

 

[throttletony]

Start here, for example:

New bill would get rid of open-carry loophole | Michigan Radio

There are a couple of cases in the works, currently falling under Appeals Court decisions (one affirming, and the other reversing, earlier district court rulings) that school districts *can* ban guns (both of which are likely to be appealed further, on the basis of state pre-emption):

Judge throws out lawsuit challenging Ann Arbor schools' gun ban | Michigan Radio

Thanks, I'll check into it a bit more.
I don't like these contradicting laws and statutes