Democrats and gun control

[MisterChester]

As I said, I find it more troubling than entertaining.

And I agree with the anxiety description, but it's not fear. Distrust might be a better descriptor. And as I've said, asking why people who say they support gun rights would vote for the official party of gun control is a valid question to ask in a political discourse.

And there is enough angst on both sides. Rather than getting from this discussion what should be rational answers for a rational question, we're getting a lot of emotion on both sides. I don't think just one side is to blame. I'm beginning to wonder what people with opposing views can ever rationally discuss without blowing **** up. I think we're actually better at debating religion sometimes.

Plenty of people, including gun owners, aren't one issue voters. I think we covered this in a previous thread. How someone ranks the importance of political issues to themselves is only relevant to themselves. That's what many here seem to forget.

The mistrust I can understand. The anxiety I do not. If they wanted to take our guns, they would have done it already. The fact that no one has shown up to my door to take them away, and the extreme political circumstances to occur to even let it happen is not occurring, is reason enough for me that I don't have much to worry about.

I encourage everybody to think about the logistics of performing such a task of gun confiscation. Way over 300 million guns in this country, and people are worried the government is going to take them all away? Give me a break. First they have to find people to carry it out who actually support the act. Army? Nope. Marines? Nope. National Guard? Lol. Armed forces officers would never obey such an unconstitutional order. So let's say they get them on board by some miracle. How are they going to be protected against citizens who won't give them up? There's a very real risk of citizens joining together to fight back. Okay, so now you have a little war on your hands. Neither side wants it. It would fall apart way too easy. Even then there is no way to ensure all guns are out of the public's hands. There'd be too little support. It would be extremely expensive. Very high risk of loss of life. The powers that be wont let it happen. They want status quo, remember?

I'm absolutely convinced I should not be worried unless the government creates magical spells that just make guns disappear. Obviously we should fight stupid bull**** nonsense gun laws. Need to have as few laws as possible regarding them. But confiscation? Only in a liberal's wet dream.

 

[TopDog]

Why do democrats keep touting the Lie that the majority of Americans want gun control? They bold face lie, they produce doctored poll's and never once let the truth touch their lips. And the mindless sheep keep eating up as if it were manna from heaven. Is it the premise that if you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth?

 

[cobber]

Yeech. Have her 15 mins. of fame passed yet and she has gone to another shill-job?

 

[TopDog]

Plenty of people, including gun owners, aren't one issue voters. I think we covered this in a previous thread. How someone ranks the importance of political issues to themselves is only relevant to themselves. That's what many here seem to forget.

The mistrust I can understand. The anxiety I do not. If they wanted to take our guns, they would have done it already. The fact that no one has shown up to my door to take them away, and the extreme political circumstances to occur to even let it happen is not occurring, is reason enough for me that I don't have much to worry about.

I encourage everybody to think about the logistics of performing such a task of gun confiscation. Way over 300 million guns in this country, and people are worried the government is going to take them all away? Give me a break. First they have to find people to carry it out who actually support the act. Army? Nope. Marines? Nope. National Guard? Lol. Armed forces officers would never obey such an unconstitutional order. So let's say they get them on board by some miracle. How are they going to be protected against citizens who won't give them up? There's a very real risk of citizens joining together to fight back. Okay, so now you have a little war on your hands. Neither side wants it. It would fall apart way too easy. Even then there is no way to ensure all guns are out of the public's hands. There'd be too little support. It would be extremely expensive. Very high risk of loss of life. The powers that be wont let it happen. They want status quo, remember?

I'm absolutely convinced I should not be worried unless the government creates magical spells that just make guns disappear. Obviously we should fight stupid bull**** nonsense gun laws. Need to have as few laws as possible regarding them. But confiscation? Only in a liberal's wet dream.

This has been covered many times. As to the part I highlighted... It is not going to happen that way. Storm troopers riding up on space ships is not what is going to happen now. They are going to legislate your guns away. The final step may well be storm troopers but that will be the last step. If you let them take all the steps up to the point of Storm Troopers then that is from your own ignorance of what is happening right out in the open.

 

[actaeon277]

Plenty of people, including gun owners, aren't one issue voters. I think we covered this in a previous thread. How someone ranks the importance of political issues to themselves is only relevant to themselves. That's what many here seem to forget.

The mistrust I can understand. The anxiety I do not. If they wanted to take our guns, they would have done it already. The fact that no one has shown up to my door to take them away, and the extreme political circumstances to occur to even let it happen is not occurring, is reason enough for me that I don't have much to worry about.

I encourage everybody to think about the logistics of performing such a task of gun confiscation. Way over 300 million guns in this country, and people are worried the government is going to take them all away? Give me a break. First they have to find people to carry it out who actually support the act. Army? Nope. Marines? Nope. National Guard? Lol. Armed forces officers would never obey such an unconstitutional order. So let's say they get them on board by some miracle. How are they going to be protected against citizens who won't give them up? There's a very real risk of citizens joining together to fight back. Okay, so now you have a little war on your hands. Neither side wants it. It would fall apart way too easy. Even then there is no way to ensure all guns are out of the public's hands. There'd be too little support. It would be extremely expensive. Very high risk of loss of life. The powers that be wont let it happen. They want status quo, remember?

I'm absolutely convinced I should not be worried unless the government creates magical spells that just make guns disappear. Obviously we should fight stupid bull**** nonsense gun laws. Need to have as few laws as possible regarding them. But confiscation? Only in a liberal's wet dream.

People got lazy, and thought it wouldn't happen, and we got the assault weapons ban.
So, I think I'll keep fighting the fight when someone says they want more gun control.

So, they don't go to your house.. at first.
Ban them first.
Close ranges down.
Arrest you if you're found with one on the streets.
Show up in force when they hear reports of someone on a private range.
Then in kindergarten through high school, encourage the kids to turn in relatives.

 

[TopDog]

People got lazy, and thought it wouldn't happen, and we got the assault weapons ban.
So, I think I'll keep fighting the fight when someone says they want more gun control.

So, they don't go to your house.. at first.
Ban them first.
Close ranges down.
Arrest you if you're found with one on the streets.
Show up in force when they hear reports of someone on a private range.
Then in kindergarten through high school, encourage the kids to turn in relatives.

Just like good little communists. The ultimate goal of the democrat party.

 

[actaeon277]

Just like good little communists. The ultimate goal of the democrat party.

Remember them getting the kids to "explain" the Healthcare act

 

[jamil]

This is a useful meme for future reference.

 

[Alpo]

So speaking of my point, if your assertion is true, that the young "own" the earth, please answer the question. Why the hell are democrats running mostly old ****s? And a new question, why is the only democrat in the race who isn't an old ****, a person whose platform more agrees with Republicans?

I agree with the point. Why is it that we have only crusty old farts running for the democratic nomination? I don't know. Perhaps because the younger Obama proved so inept with his youth and inexperience? I don't have a better answer.

It's a long cycle until we get to the primaries. Many ambitious plans will be undone. Who knows what events will cause the likely candidate to fall? For all of the things I admire about Bernie...compassion (however misplaced), ethics, forthrightness...I doubt he will survive the long days ahead to the candidacy. I hope it's not Hillary, but the Clinton machine is a juggernaut.

That leaves us with the republicans. Perhaps Rubio will survive the process. Then we'll all have to take a good hard look at him.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

People got lazy, and thought it wouldn't happen, and we got the assault weapons ban.
So, I think I'll keep fighting the fight when someone says they want more gun control.

So, they don't go to your house.. at first.
Ban them first.
Close ranges down.
Arrest you if you're found with one on the streets.
Show up in force when they hear reports of someone on a private range.
Then in kindergarten through high school, encourage the kids to turn in relatives.

Yeah, ask the people of New Orleans that got their guns confiscated whether or not it could ever happen. We've seen a possible blue print--wait for a serious enough event/castastrophe/etc. and there'll be enough police or armed service guys that will gladly break down your door, flash bang your children, shoot your dogs, to disarm you. Maybe not everywhere, all at once. But it's happened before, in relatively small scales but to deny it would every happen at your house is to disregard history.

 

[jamil]

Plenty of people, including gun owners, aren't one issue voters. I think we covered this in a previous thread. How someone ranks the importance of political issues to themselves is only relevant to themselves. That's what many here seem to forget.

The mistrust I can understand. The anxiety I do not. If they wanted to take our guns, they would have done it already. The fact that no one has shown up to my door to take them away, and the extreme political circumstances to occur to even let it happen is not occurring, is reason enough for me that I don't have much to worry about.

I encourage everybody to think about the logistics of performing such a task of gun confiscation. Way over 300 million guns in this country, and people are worried the government is going to take them all away? Give me a break. First they have to find people to carry it out who actually support the act. Army? Nope. Marines? Nope. National Guard? Lol. Armed forces officers would never obey such an unconstitutional order. So let's say they get them on board by some miracle. How are they going to be protected against citizens who won't give them up? There's a very real risk of citizens joining together to fight back. Okay, so now you have a little war on your hands. Neither side wants it. It would fall apart way too easy. Even then there is no way to ensure all guns are out of the public's hands. There'd be too little support. It would be extremely expensive. Very high risk of loss of life. The powers that be wont let it happen. They want status quo, remember?

I'm absolutely convinced I should not be worried unless the government creates magical spells that just make guns disappear. Obviously we should fight stupid bull**** nonsense gun laws. Need to have as few laws as possible regarding them. But confiscation? Only in a liberal's wet dream.

I think this is incredibly short sighted. So you don't think that the gun control that goes along with the "democratic socialism" the envied first world nations have can't happen here? I'm convinced by the direction of the nation that unless the direction changes the U.S. will eventually adopt that kind of gun control. We think that when gun friendly states adopt gun friendly laws that we're winning. All the while the socialist states take their people's rights away, and those people are just fine with it. And we're also seeing states become more purple, and more open to gun control.

 

[PaulF]

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[MisterChester]

I think this is incredibly short sighted. So you don't think that the gun control that goes along with the "democratic socialism" the envied first world nations have can't happen here? I'm convinced by the direction of the nation that unless the direction changes the U.S. will eventually adopt that kind of gun control. We think that when gun friendly states adopt gun friendly laws that we're winning. All the while the socialist states take their people's rights away, and those people are just fine with it. And we're also seeing states become more purple, and more open to gun control.

They will certainly try to but it is doomed to fail. Let's keep in mind that we are the only major power that guarantees firearm ownership as a right. There's just no way that it'll disappear any time soon. The liberals will fight it in court, and they've lost almost every single time.

The laws against guns in liberal states? Those days are numbered. It will more than likely take a slow, hard court battle all the way to the top. I have faith in that. The past few decades have generally gone in our favor. At this point 30 years ago a majority of states had no right to CCW. Now every single state has some form of it. There is much work to be done, absolutely, but we are miles ahead of where we once were. And the liberals are scared. They know they have no proof that their anti-gun ways work. Even if they do get their way, it will crumble because there is no factual support to their cause. Major laws that take away rights on the constitutional level do not have a great track record either (like prohibition).

 

[calcot7]

If any one on this thread is saying they should not vote for someone because they are antigun then you better NOT have voted for MITT ROMNEY. If you voted for MITT then you are the reason we have issues with the 2nd amendment.

Then I guess you are saying that if you support the second amendment you are a hypocrite if you voted at all?

 

[Blackhawk2001]

You'd think the crowd that wants people and the government to stay out of their bedrooms would, themselves, just stay out of other peoples' gun safes and reloading rooms.

Which classically proves the hypocrisy of which they are guilty on nearly every issue they try to push. And not only are they guilty of hypocrisy, they seem to be proud of it - either that or they deny it vociferously even in the face of solid evidence. Republicans are in "disarray" because some of them hold principles to be more important than treading the "Party Line." Democrats appear to be ideologues first and principled last; if their "principles" don't interfere with their ideological direction, they tout them. If their "principles" get in the way, they jettison them.

 

[calcot7]

Why do democrats keep touting the Lie that the majority of Americans want gun control? They bold face lie, they produce doctored poll's and never once let the truth touch their lips. And the mindless sheep keep eating up as if it were manna from heaven. Is it the premise that if you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth?

If you get enough sheep to believe in it and vote for it...........Yes.

 

[Thor]

IBT 2nd L

I think some people are commenting here just to see who they can drive to shooter status...it's certainly not because they are intellectually open to a discussion. When the posts start to sound like 1984 newspeak and it's time to wonder why they are posting.

 

[TopDog]

IBT 2nd L

I think some people are commenting here just to see who they can drive to shooter status...it's certainly not because they are intellectually open to a discussion. When the posts start to sound like 1984 newspeak and it's time to wonder why they are posting.

I am posting mostly out of frustration. I can not fathom how someone can be democrat and still support the 2A. When I read responses from someone that says they support the democrat party and still support the 2A I don't see any factual information from them. Just more rhetoric from the left point of view not based on actual facts. Something like we don't want to take your guns but want a national buy back program to collect all the guns. It is the hypocrisy in the left point of view that never seems to wash. I really would like to know how someone justifies the stance without the false statements.

 

[churchmouse]

IBT 2nd L

I think some people are commenting here just to see who they can drive to shooter status...it's certainly not because they are intellectually open to a discussion. When the posts start to sound like 1984 newspeak and it's time to wonder why they are posting.

To see this......

 

[Thor]

To see this......

It's that wrestling with a pig thing isn't it?