Democrat congressman wants to ban ALL center-fire cartridges

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  • oldpink

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    Totally predictable, especially coming from such a gigantic douchebag, as Steve Israel is, second only to Chuck Schumer in that department.
    What's even more irritating is the dismissive tone that the supposedly "nonpartisan" FactCheck.org gives the NRA and supporters on this subject.

    NRA Targets Obama

    "It's true that common high-powered rifle bullets are capable of penetrating the vests worn by police, which are a defense chiefly against lower-velocity handgun rounds. But does that mean hunting ammunition is "designed or marketed as having armor piercing capability"? Or that a rifle round that some handguns might accept would be banned? That's the NRA's argument, and it was repeated on the floor of the Senate by Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. He said flatly that the measure "would ban nearly all hunting rifle ammunition," without any elaboration. However, the measure's sponsor, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, said his amendment was not intended to cover hunting ammunition:
    Sen. Kennedy (July 29, 2005): This is not about hunting. We know duck and geese and deer do not wear armor vests; police officers do.
    Kennedy's measure failed by a vote of 64 – 31.
    By the way, the NRA has used this ploy before. It ran ads in 2004 claiming Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry had voted "to ban deer-hunting ammunition" when he had actually voted on an earlier occasion for this same Kennedy amendment on armor-piercing rounds. Kennedy said then:
    Sen. Kennedy (March 2, 2004): My amendment will not apply to ammunition that is now routinely used in hunting rifles or other centerfire rifles. To the contrary, it only covers ammunition that is designed or marketed as having armor-piercing capability."

    Yeah...right.

     

    jwh20

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    As we saw so clearly demonstrated by the proposed M855 ban by the BATFE, all it takes is a slight definition change and something that was legal yesterday is illegal today.
     

    KellyinAvon

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    in the 38 years that the FBI has reported the caliber of handguns used to kill law enforcement officers, no such crime has been committed with a handgun capable of firing M855 or any other .223 or 5.56mm cartridge.

    As I figured, his district looks like is full of Da Blasio voters.
     

    KG1

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    in the 38 years that the FBI has reported the caliber of handguns used to kill law enforcement officers, no such crime has been committed with a handgun capable of firing M855 or any other .223 or 5.56mm cartridge.

    As I figured, his district looks like is full of Da Blasio voters.
    That right there is why it was so painfully obvious to anyone paying attention that the attempt to ban M855 at this time was purely a politically motivated end around Congress driven by the Executive office to go after the ammunition due to a failed attempt at restrictive AR-15 legislation. The BATFs attempted justification claims for a ban were totally baseless.
     

    PKendall317

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    I'd like to pretend that Israel is smart enough to know how completely unrealistic and unfeasible this bill is, I'd like to think that, but I can't. I mean even if it were passed there's already so many firearms and ammunition capable of penetrating police armor that it would be nearly impossible to enforce unless the end game is confiscation which would pose even more logistical and legal issues.
     

    jwh20

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    These people don't care about history, or the constitution, or rights, or anything OTHER than advancing their RADICAL (and I mean RADICAL!!) agenda. The US 2A is a major sticking point to bringing the US population into the "world community" where peace and love and all sorts of warm-fuzzies are everywhere. But since so many of us are gun-crazed bigots we aren't able to be in the "community of nations" under UN rule. This is the end-game for liberal-elites like Obama and it's why he hates firearms of all sorts (except his own bodyguards of course) and why he's done everything possible to limit, restrict, ban, confiscate, or regulate guns and ammunition.

    Make no mistake, these people will NEVER stop, they will never retreat, they will keep on pushing their agenda bit by bit until they get to the Utopia they dream of.
     

    warthog

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    Oh boy, time to start hoarding EVERYTHING now.
    At this point it seems they have figured out they can cause a panic by saying something they KNOW isn't going to happen. This causes prices to rise making the hobby more expensive. Eventually even reloading will become too expensive to afford for many of the one time middle class (now destroyed and considered the poor). THAT is the real goal anyway and they don't really have to do more than threaten now. Eventually they want this to become a Rich (like Bill Gates) hobby because they already know they can't cause them any inconvenience. :)
     

    KG1

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    At this point it seems they have figured out they can cause a panic by saying something they KNOW isn't going to happen. This causes prices to rise making the hobby more expensive. Eventually even reloading will become too expensive to afford for many of the one time middle class (now destroyed and considered the poor). THAT is the real goal anyway and they don't really have to do more than threaten now. Eventually they want this to become a Rich (like Bill Gates) hobby because they already know they can't cause them any inconvenience. :)
    I think this all part of the plan as well. They are attacking on all fronts and if they can't outright ban something they are going to try and make it as cost prohibitive as possible. It's another form of control.
     

    longbarrel

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    Have you ever thought that the far left politicians are getting kickbacks from big ammo? If a false panic is created, the penguins will do what they have to, or at least what they want them to. And the gun lobby is right their with them. All they have talked about for seven (7) years, is how they are coming for our guns. They are not. Not very many, if any, of our military, will turn weapons on its own people. Police aren't coming to peoples' door to confiscate weapons. First, there are not enough of them to do so. Second, most of them feel over worked and under paid the way it is. So, let's stop believing the propaganda and just live. Go plant a garden, or find that 1st mushroom, or cast that first line, or get that boat ready for the water. Whatever it is, don't believe the hype.
     
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    oldpink

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    At this point it seems they have figured out they can cause a panic by saying something they KNOW isn't going to happen. This causes prices to rise making the hobby more expensive. Eventually even reloading will become too expensive to afford for many of the one time middle class (now destroyed and considered the poor). THAT is the real goal anyway and they don't really have to do more than threaten now. Eventually they want this to become a Rich (like Bill Gates) hobby because they already know they can't cause them any inconvenience. :)

    "Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It."
    - Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals
     

    BogWalker

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    At this point it seems they have figured out they can cause a panic by saying something they KNOW isn't going to happen. This causes prices to rise making the hobby more expensive. Eventually even reloading will become too expensive to afford for many of the one time middle class (now destroyed and considered the poor). THAT is the real goal anyway and they don't really have to do more than threaten now. Eventually they want this to become a Rich (like Bill Gates) hobby because they already know they can't cause them any inconvenience. :)
    Think back to the 1934 NFA. $200 registration fees were entirely prohibitive. According to the dollartimes.com inflation calculator that's equivalent to over $3500 today. The point of the tax was to be prohibitive to ownership, and that's the same plan they have every time they propose any new registration. Make it too expensive for the average citizen to own.
     
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