Constitutional Right To Carry?

[Stschil]

But isn't the National Guard the Militia around here? Wouldn't "organized" mean that we have a set plan and a rank structure? Or is this only pertinent when the SactuallyHTF?

You're are forgetting the fact that it is every Citizens' Duty to mount a defense for our Freedoms. A standing Army is beholden to the Government which raised it, equipped it, and pays it. The People are beholden to themselves. We have no duty to follow the wishes and whims of a tyrannical government when it seeks to deprive us of our uninalienable rights.

Pot stirring or not, many have consumed the indoctrinational kool-aid and need to be educated. We have forgotten our Heritage, the roots from which this Nation was born.

Research the writings of the Framers, Jefferson, Hancock, Madison, and Fredrick Douglas, etc with a specific eye to the 2A. You will find that many modern interpretations are in direct opposition to them.

 

[GBuck]

You have been given very clear explanations of the 2A, and definitions of "militia" and "regulated". Now you're just stirring the pot.

I was stirring the pot in the first place. I thought that was pretty obvious.

However, these are questions that would be asked by anti gunners. Also, you undoubtedly will get the "well that's YOUR interpretation of it, how do you know what they meant, you weren't there?

 

[Expat]

I believe it was Alan Dershowitz that I heard on a TV program, many years ago, say that if we read the 2nd Amendment as expansively as we do the 1st, there would be NO limitations on our rights to own and carry any weapon we wanted. Of course he didn't think we should do so. But I found it interesting that he conceded the point.

I think the 2nd should be read in the very plain meaning that it is written. I also have always thought that the fact the 2nd is written very differently than most of the rest of the Bill of Rights seems to be lost on the politicians and the Courts. Most of the rest are written as restrictions on the Congress (Congress shall make no law...). The Second says shall not be infringed. So my position has always been it should be read more expansively than the others as including all other law making bodies.

 

[beararms1776]

When they say "...keep and bear arms..." that means to keep and to carry.

bear arms means to have. Not necessarily carry. Shall not be infringed is pretty clear cut though.

 

[youngda9]

bear arms means to have. Not necessarily carry. Shall not be infringed is pretty clear cut though.

What dictionary do you get your definition from?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bear?show=1&t=1318440242
1: a : to move while holding up and supporting (something)
3: a : to support the weight of

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bear
1. to hold up; support: to bear the weight of the roof.
2. to hold or remain firm under (a load): The roof will not bear the strain of his weight.

 

[newtothis]

Ooopsies, didnt read the last 2 pages (uh oh). I'll be back after I read them.

 

[beararms1776]

What dictionary do you get your definition from?

Right here. Doesn't say anything about carry though.
Bear | Define Bear at Dictionary.com

 

[youngda9]

Right here. Doesn't say anything about carry though.
Bear | Define Bear at Dictionary.com

1. to hold up; support

From your own link...

You don't seem to understand your username :|

 

[newtothis]

You better bring your "A-Game" with an argument to back it up if you're going to make that statement here.

LOL, I did 2 things, and they were: 1) asked a question 2) made the statement that I was asking 1 because Second Amendment rights werent expressly covered through the course of the constitutional law courses I have taken.

If you were able to misconstrue the question/ statement I made, maybe you should sit down and avoid further statements until you are able to increase your cognitive ability to comprehend what people post.

 

[beararms1776]

1. to hold up; support

From your own link...

as in a dwelling maybe?
carry and bear do not have the same definition.

 

[Hoosierdood]

bear arms means to have. Not necessarily carry. Shall not be infringed is pretty clear cut though.

I disagree. "Keep" means "to have". Why would they use 2 different words to mean the same thing? Bear means "to bring, convey, to hold up". A simple glance at a dictionary will tell you what bear means. It's not rocket science.

 

[youngda9]

as in a dwelling maybe?
carry and bear do not have the same definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...1&t=1318440242
1: a : to move while holding up and supporting (something)

And now?

 

[Stschil]

Right here. Doesn't say anything about carry though.
Bear | Define Bear at Dictionary.com

Why would the Framers have added "keep" twice?

The person who CARRIES the flag in formation is called the Standard Bearer
The people who CARRY a casket at a funeral are called Pall Bearers

You're definiton would mean they merely keep and maintain these items

 

[Hoosierdood]

as in a dwelling maybe?
carry and bear do not have the same definition.

From your link:

bear 1 (bɛə)

— vb , bears , bearing , bore , borne
1. to support or hold up; sustain
2. to bring or convey: to bear gifts
3. to take, accept, or assume the responsibility of: to bear an expense

How can you bring something without carrying it?

 

[beararms1776]

Keep | Define Keep at Dictionary.com

Have | Define Have at Dictionary.com

 

[esrice]

bear arms means to have. Not necessarily carry.

So "to keep and bear arms" means "to have and to have arms"?

 

[beararms1776]

From your link:



How can you bring something without carrying it?

Of course you would have to carry it to your dwelling.

 

[beararms1776]

To bear arms in public is a privilege. You don't need that to bear arms in a dwelling.

 

[Stschil]

To bear arms in public is a privilege. You don't need that to bear arms in a dwelling.

WTF?

Please Sir, show us in the 2A where it says anything of the sort.

Who is mixing your Koolaid, Nancy Pelosi?

 

[Hoosierdood]

Of course you would have to carry it to your dwelling.

To bear arms in public is a privilege. You don't need that to bear arms in a dwelling.

The amount of stupid in these comments makes my brain hurt. Even when confronted with indisputable proof that you are incorrect, you choose to ignore the truth and defer to your own incorrect preconceived ideas. That is no different from what the antis do.


How about what esrice said above? Keep and bear arms means "to have and have arms"?