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  • Brad69

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    This is a example you don’t have spend a ton on one. I think Academy sports has them. @foszoe what attachments for a sling are on your rifle?

     

    cedartop

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    This is a example you don’t have spend a ton on one. I think Academy sports has them. @foszoe what attachments for a sling are on your rifle?

    So in my mind I thought Reveres Riders was similar to that other organization that teaches rifle marksmanship, I take it from your sling answer that is not the case?
     

    Brad69

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    @cedartop thats kinda reason for the different organization. While we do offer basic courses in addition conduct carbine and other courses that are more advanced.

    @obijohn offers some advanced pistol work the future promises some more advanced Carbine courses. We have a group of cadre that take advance classes and attempt to pass the knowledge forward.

    Always looking for volunteers we are not paid for services.

    Hint HINT!
     

    Brad69

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    One ticket left !
    If you have not attended a class for a Carbine this is the one you want.
    Pack a lunch and load you magazines!
     

    TJ Kackowski

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    So in my mind I thought Reveres Riders was similar to that other organization that teaches rifle marksmanship, I take it from your sling answer that is not the case?
    It's o.k. to say Appleseed. Afterall, when Revere's Riders started, it was comprised exclusively of un-volunteered Appleseed volunteers.

    Appleseed offers great basic rifle, KD rifle, and now, basic pistol courses. Revere’s Riders does too, but RR goes way beyond the basic training with their carbine and advanced pistol courses.

    As @Brad69 noted, now that RR has some new volunteers and partners on board, there are even more courses in the works.

    A little know fact is that RR has partnered with Ovar’Coming Together, and through the Marty Brown Memorial shooting events has raised over $70,000 to help fight ovarian cancer. Want to shoot safely, have fun, and help a great cause? Check out the RR website for the upcoming MBM events.
     

    Gaffer

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    First, a big “Thank You” to all the volunteers who assisted with this training yesterday! It is obvious that a lot of planning, setup and work went into this event.

    As always, the safety, organization and of course, the training was top notch.

    The training we received yesterday is an important step to become/stay “Well Regulated”!

    Ron
     

    Brad69

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    It was a great group of students that braved a windy cold day. Three students earned there patch and all others were close.

    They all hate that swinging target. Plus they found out a 100 yard shot is much more difficult when under pressure and your heart rate is up.
     

    firecadet613

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    It was a great group of students that braved a windy cold day. Three students earned there patch and all others were close.

    They all hate that swinging target. Plus they found out a 100 yard shot is much more difficult when under pressure and your heart rate is up.

    Amen to that last part! I hit it on the first shot when I started out and took way to many shots to hit it again at the end.

    A great group with great instructors! Thanks to Brad, Slim, Nigel, TJ and Frank! Looking forward to when the advanced class is posted.

    If anyone is looking for some top notch rifle training, sign up for this course when it is offered again. I have a home range and can shoot on the move, but the course they setup at the end of the class was fantastic!
     

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    Sure was a great day and pretty good weather too for the time of the year.
    This is ‘the’ class to test your gear and see what works and what doesn’t.
    Lot’s of different steel to hit, or not, this time…10 different shapes & sizes.
    3” steel at 100 yards ….huzzah.
    Up close and personal … no problem.
    You can take this course several times and it will never be the same and there will always be something to challenge your skills.
     

    foszoe

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    This is a example you don’t have spend a ton on one. I think Academy sports has them. @foszoe what attachments for a sling are on your rifle?

    I think I have so many security features enabled on my browser that I don't get a notification when someone posts to me. So I am sorry I didn't respond.
     

    foszoe

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    So anyone that reads this can properly evaluate my evaluation. Here is some info about my training background. I was never in the military and never been in law enforcement.

    Pistol: I have taken more pistol classes than anything. I took several 1 on 1 pistol classes with Coach. I shot a couple of USPSA or whatever it is matches and enjoyed myself. I also took the Revere's Rider Basic pistol class. I did take the class Coach and BBI offered on pistol markmanship and scenarios. I still consider myself an average pistol shooter. I shoot pistols left handed.

    Rifle: The ONLY classes I had ever taken with a rifle were Appleseed classes. I took 3? of them I think. I got close to my badge on the last try but lead fouling trashed out the barrel late in the afternoon and my rounds started tumbling. Those on paper were keyholing the rest were in the dirt. That said I thoroughly enjoyed every single one of them. Mostly because I always took a new shooter with me, including several that were afraid of the rifle.

    So what did I think of my Carbine Class?

    I thoroughly enjoyed it overall. I am a low confidence shooter. By that I mean I tend to underestimate my abilities and need pushed in classes to actually demonstrate my knowledge. The instructors were able to do that. At the beginning of the class, I was smart enough to take the left most postion on the line because I didn't want any flying brass down my shirt. :)

    The drills we ran were all things that, thanks be to God, I can run on my home range.

    We started out with zeroing. One of the instructors was very helpful getting me where I needed to be. He mentioned that I liked marching to my own beat because I was using more ammo than I should be. That was also on me. I couldn't find my electronic ear buds which allow me to hear so I took cheap ear buds. That is a lesson learned. IF using PASSIVE hearing protection USE OVER THE EAR for the quick on/off. I was too concerned about protecting my hearing and getting the ear buds seated that it interfered with me hearing the instructions precisely :)

    Another lesson I learned was don't put a magazine in the pocket on the same side as you shoulder your rifle! several times I would either be trying to lock a bolt or aim or what ever with the rifle on my pocket and it would start sliding. I never got yelled at for an unsafe condition and I don't think I was ever unsafe, but I definitely recognized that as an issue.

    As we walked through the drills of shooting at various close ranges to get a feel for technique. I learned several things. I learned that i need to treat my red dot as a red dot. All day long that was a struggle for me. I wanted to treat it like a scope and center the dot unnecessarily. If you are going to spend the money on a red dot. TREAT it like a RED DOT!

    Engaging the targets while moving forward was also a bit of a challenge. Bit is an understatement. I could hear a lot of shots but wasn't exactly seeing a lot of holes in the plates :)

    Then we did a drill where we moved around a brick wall that allowed us to shoulder/shoot offhand. One of the instructors said some of my best shots all day were my off shoulder/off hand shots. It was the same instructor that noticed earlier I had put 2 shots in the same hole so it meant something. Now that could have been more confidence building but it got me wondering. Remember I shoot pistols LH. I am also cross eye dominant. I have always considered that as a good reason to shoot rifles RH. But that actually got me thinking maybe I should try LH rifle. I had an instructor say I was a Beretta fan boy and I am. But the reason I bought my first pistol, a 92FS, was because of the ambidextrious controls. It has also been one of the reasons I have stayed with Berettas.The rifle I was using can be completely shifted to a LH rifle. Now I wonder if I might experiment with that. At my age. I don't know if it would be worth doing but I might try it.

    Through these drills I still struggled at treating the Red Dot as a Red dot but that was not on the instructors but me.

    When we moved to the Patching exercise. First of all, I didn't patch :) I did enjoy the exercise. I MAY have been able to patch if I had tried to shoot from a kneeling position vs on the barricade. I say that only because kneeling I was able to hit at 100 yds. I couldn't hit a barn from that bench. However, I was laying down a helluva lot of suppressive fire! At the same time, I wanted to complete the exercise exactly as it was set up.

    That all goes back to how I view training. That goes back to Coach and others. Speed comes later. So overall, I was happy with what I learned, I am happy I have room to practice what I learned, and I will be happy to take the class a couple of more times to further refine what I have learned.

    However, when I do something, no matter how flattering the feedback is, I like to know what could have went better.

    I think an optional 30 min or 60 min head start for those who really are new might be nice. For example, how to set up the sling. How to think about what pockets to put magazines in etc. Simple little insights into we are going to do this without giving away exactly what we are going to do to help put newbies into a frame of mind where some of the mechanics of things are out of the way when the class begins. That would have been helpful for me.
     

    nad63

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    Great write up foszoe.
    When you get the RR after event survey please include your feedback.
    We try to continually improve.
    Hopefully you’ll take another carbine class and continue your journey. No two classes will be the same but you know the tempo and have head start on the newbies next time.
    Maybe half the class were repeat offenders.
    Nigel
     

    firecadet613

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    So anyone that reads this can properly evaluate my evaluation. Here is some info about my training background. I was never in the military and never been in law enforcement.

    Pistol: I have taken more pistol classes than anything. I took several 1 on 1 pistol classes with Coach. I shot a couple of USPSA or whatever it is matches and enjoyed myself. I also took the Revere's Rider Basic pistol class. I did take the class Coach and BBI offered on pistol markmanship and scenarios. I still consider myself an average pistol shooter. I shoot pistols left handed.

    Rifle: The ONLY classes I had ever taken with a rifle were Appleseed classes. I took 3? of them I think. I got close to my badge on the last try but lead fouling trashed out the barrel late in the afternoon and my rounds started tumbling. Those on paper were keyholing the rest were in the dirt. That said I thoroughly enjoyed every single one of them. Mostly because I always took a new shooter with me, including several that were afraid of the rifle.

    So what did I think of my Carbine Class?

    I thoroughly enjoyed it overall. I am a low confidence shooter. By that I mean I tend to underestimate my abilities and need pushed in classes to actually demonstrate my knowledge. The instructors were able to do that. At the beginning of the class, I was smart enough to take the left most postion on the line because I didn't want any flying brass down my shirt. :)

    The drills we ran were all things that, thanks be to God, I can run on my home range.

    We started out with zeroing. One of the instructors was very helpful getting me where I needed to be. He mentioned that I liked marching to my own beat because I was using more ammo than I should be. That was also on me. I couldn't find my electronic ear buds which allow me to hear so I took cheap ear buds. That is a lesson learned. IF using PASSIVE hearing protection USE OVER THE EAR for the quick on/off. I was too concerned about protecting my hearing and getting the ear buds seated that it interfered with me hearing the instructions precisely :)

    Another lesson I learned was don't put a magazine in the pocket on the same side as you shoulder your rifle! several times I would either be trying to lock a bolt or aim or what ever with the rifle on my pocket and it would start sliding. I never got yelled at for an unsafe condition and I don't think I was ever unsafe, but I definitely recognized that as an issue.

    As we walked through the drills of shooting at various close ranges to get a feel for technique. I learned several things. I learned that i need to treat my red dot as a red dot. All day long that was a struggle for me. I wanted to treat it like a scope and center the dot unnecessarily. If you are going to spend the money on a red dot. TREAT it like a RED DOT!

    Engaging the targets while moving forward was also a bit of a challenge. Bit is an understatement. I could hear a lot of shots but wasn't exactly seeing a lot of holes in the plates :)

    Then we did a drill where we moved around a brick wall that allowed us to shoulder/shoot offhand. One of the instructors said some of my best shots all day were my off shoulder/off hand shots. It was the same instructor that noticed earlier I had put 2 shots in the same hole so it meant something. Now that could have been more confidence building but it got me wondering. Remember I shoot pistols LH. I am also cross eye dominant. I have always considered that as a good reason to shoot rifles RH. But that actually got me thinking maybe I should try LH rifle. I had an instructor say I was a Beretta fan boy and I am. But the reason I bought my first pistol, a 92FS, was because of the ambidextrious controls. It has also been one of the reasons I have stayed with Berettas.The rifle I was using can be completely shifted to a LH rifle. Now I wonder if I might experiment with that. At my age. I don't know if it would be worth doing but I might try it.

    Through these drills I still struggled at treating the Red Dot as a Red dot but that was not on the instructors but me.

    When we moved to the Patching exercise. First of all, I didn't patch :) I did enjoy the exercise. I MAY have been able to patch if I had tried to shoot from a kneeling position vs on the barricade. I say that only because kneeling I was able to hit at 100 yds. I couldn't hit a barn from that bench. However, I was laying down a helluva lot of suppressive fire! At the same time, I wanted to complete the exercise exactly as it was set up.

    That all goes back to how I view training. That goes back to Coach and others. Speed comes later. So overall, I was happy with what I learned, I am happy I have room to practice what I learned, and I will be happy to take the class a couple of more times to further refine what I have learned.

    However, when I do something, no matter how flattering the feedback is, I like to know what could have went better.

    I think an optional 30 min or 60 min head start for those who really are new might be nice. For example, how to set up the sling. How to think about what pockets to put magazines in etc. Simple little insights into we are going to do this without giving away exactly what we are going to do to help put newbies into a frame of mind where some of the mechanics of things are out of the way when the class begins. That would have been helpful for me.
    Great recap! I was just to the right of you, but didn't shoot when you were on the line.

    Talk about a rude awakening when we were zeroing at 100yds and I was getting showered with brass!
     

    foszoe

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    Great recap! I was just to the right of you, but didn't shoot when you were on the line.

    Talk about a rude awakening when we were zeroing at 100yds and I was getting showered with brass!
    Nice to have "met" you! It's dangerous to be anywhere near me :cool:
     

    foszoe

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    Great write up foszoe.
    When you get the RR after event survey please include your feedback.
    We try to continually improve.
    Hopefully you’ll take another carbine class and continue your journey. No two classes will be the same but you know the tempo and have head start on the newbies next time.
    Maybe half the class were repeat offenders.
    Nigel
    I don't like to name names on forums to respect others privacy but Nigel was very helpful. He was the one that when I made a point to say I was new made sure to get me comfortable. It was appreciated. He helped me zero in and definitely pushed me to do better.
     

    Brad69

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    Great feedback @foszoe we should slow down for the introduction and make new shooters feel confident. In addition talk more about set up for mags and sling.
    Thats kinda my fault I tend to over estimate the training base.
     
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