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Can it get any better than HB1022?
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brotherbill3
Master
Mr. Obtuse again
brotherbill3
Master
Thus far - 3 against 3 neutral 5 for
Now. Dr. Madiera.
Now. Dr. Madiera.
brotherbill3
Master
Dr. Madeira -
said something about "police" powers- is NOT in the Indiana Constitution. ( a quick search shows the word police does not appear in the IN Const.)
Was she thinking Illinois perhaps? (it is there.)
said something about "police" powers- is NOT in the Indiana Constitution. ( a quick search shows the word police does not appear in the IN Const.)
Was she thinking Illinois perhaps? (it is there.)
brotherbill3
Master
He is Taylor playing a race card due to the churches ???? what?
oh my gosh - "why didn't you (to a witness) bring this bill 2 yrs ago?" ... after Dillon Roof ?
oh my gosh - "why didn't you (to a witness) bring this bill 2 yrs ago?" ... after Dillon Roof ?
brotherbill3
Master
Guy is up now - hopefully batting clean up -
brotherbill3
Master
Dr. Chris Kopacki NRA -
brotherbill3
Master
And Taylor is off on a tangent again .... This is ridiculous.
brotherbill3
Master
Dedicated on the backs of 1/6 of the law abiding citizens backs.
Rep Pierce is being a butt now. - wanting stupid amendments
THEY ARE NOT COMMON SENSE. jackwagon.
Rep Pierce is being a butt now. - wanting stupid amendments
THEY ARE NOT COMMON SENSE. jackwagon.
brotherbill3
Master
I think Smaltz a bit annoyed at the end with the attacks on him. about the process.
Thanks GFGT.
brotherbill3
Master
I"ll try to do a summary -
I missed the first 15 minute an some / most of KellyinAvon's talk due to work stuff.
1) HB 1214 got strip and replaced to make it a mashup of SB 33 (with house floor amend #3) and HB 1424 / SB 237 (but only part of these)
1 - Guy was from a church and was speaking largely off topic (like when he said we don't have a right to carry - oh boy) ....
2 - Older woman - very pro-2A, and Pro CCR1 as proposed. - solid testimony.
3 - MDA lady - ... again - largely off topic ...
4 - Trevor Vance - Everytown - "THEY ARE NEUTRAL" - - - (what yeah you read that right -
) call that a win for us.
5 - Chief Wiley - IN Assoc Chiefs of Police - Neutral - less $ / change of date (was noted this would be 2019; and to replace funding / prevent its loss).
- - G.T. playing role of Mr Obtuse -- part 1.
6 - Sheriff Troyer - was at MSDouglas HS last week - playing up the emotional story- but ended up being mostly about training - but you could sense bias against lawful carry IMO.
- - GT / Mr. O part 2
7 - Judy Howard - Good - fairly well done.
8 - Kelly in Avon - Crushed it - but I only heard part.
9 - Dr Wakefield - MDA - oh boy ...
10 - Konnie Crouch - founder of Women Armed and Ready - Good Job
11 - Martha W - crime victim; supported CCR - well done
- - NOTE : GT / Mr. O - trying to get people to trip up on #'s 7, 9, 10. - part 1
11 - Dr Madeira - ... stay on topic Doc. - typical arguments from her / here.
12 - Charlie - ISRPA - good / solid support -
- - GT / Mr. O - trying to get people to trip up on #'s 12. - part 2.
13 - Guy - Crushed it.
- - GT tried to mess w/ Guy and was OWNED.
14 - Chris Kopacki - NRA - solid
still - GT / Mr. O - trying to get people to get him to take blame for "not offering this bill" after Dylan Roof / Charleston Shooing 2 yrs ago.
comments - about what you'd expect - except for Smaltz at the end - who was ticked at being blamed for the process; and constantly chided at by GT for
"keeping control of the hearing" while letting GT ramble more than anyone; and letting the anti-side - get more off topic than ours....
He seemed (not un justly) miffed at the conclusion.
I missed the first 15 minute an some / most of KellyinAvon's talk due to work stuff.
1) HB 1214 got strip and replaced to make it a mashup of SB 33 (with house floor amend #3) and HB 1424 / SB 237 (but only part of these)
1 - Guy was from a church and was speaking largely off topic (like when he said we don't have a right to carry - oh boy) ....
2 - Older woman - very pro-2A, and Pro CCR1 as proposed. - solid testimony.
3 - MDA lady - ... again - largely off topic ...
4 - Trevor Vance - Everytown - "THEY ARE NEUTRAL" - - - (what yeah you read that right -
) call that a win for us.5 - Chief Wiley - IN Assoc Chiefs of Police - Neutral - less $ / change of date (was noted this would be 2019; and to replace funding / prevent its loss).
- - G.T. playing role of Mr Obtuse -- part 1.
6 - Sheriff Troyer - was at MSDouglas HS last week - playing up the emotional story- but ended up being mostly about training - but you could sense bias against lawful carry IMO.
- - GT / Mr. O part 2
7 - Judy Howard - Good - fairly well done.
8 - Kelly in Avon - Crushed it - but I only heard part.
9 - Dr Wakefield - MDA - oh boy ...
10 - Konnie Crouch - founder of Women Armed and Ready - Good Job
11 - Martha W - crime victim; supported CCR - well done
- - NOTE : GT / Mr. O - trying to get people to trip up on #'s 7, 9, 10. - part 1
11 - Dr Madeira - ... stay on topic Doc. - typical arguments from her / here.
12 - Charlie - ISRPA - good / solid support -
- - GT / Mr. O - trying to get people to trip up on #'s 12. - part 2.
13 - Guy - Crushed it.
- - GT tried to mess w/ Guy and was OWNED.
14 - Chris Kopacki - NRA - solid
still - GT / Mr. O - trying to get people to get him to take blame for "not offering this bill" after Dylan Roof / Charleston Shooing 2 yrs ago.
comments - about what you'd expect - except for Smaltz at the end - who was ticked at being blamed for the process; and constantly chided at by GT for
"keeping control of the hearing" while letting GT ramble more than anyone; and letting the anti-side - get more off topic than ours....
He seemed (not un justly) miffed at the conclusion.
brotherbill3
Master
They do not need to vote in a public committee hearing on this - they didn't even need to hold a public hearing or take public testimony.
Smaltz did this to placate the other side - he needed only to give 2 hrs notice not the 72 he did; nor did he need to publish the CCR before hand.
My guess is they will go -
Today - and get the date fixed (to July 1, 2019 for the fee removal) - and leave the rest the same.
Tomorrow - Then remove Pierce and Taylor when they refuse to sign it - they get removed for a more favorable member -
Wednesday - to get it signed
Thursday - vote on the floor of both houses.
End session.
NOTE - THIS COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG.
