Another reason why you probably shouldn't carry in condition 3 ( GRAPHIC )

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WARNING: NSFW

LiveLeak.com - Jewelery Store Shooting in Agra

 

[BlueEagle]

Been posted before. But always a good reminder exactly how many things can go wrong when you try to rack that slide under pressure.

 

[Biohazard]

"It's safer to carry without one in the chamber."

My favorite:
"It just takes a second to rack the slide."



Purple is sarcasm right?

 

[.452browning]

Take away one second it takes for you to draw and engage = Life

Add one second (which in the video it appears he was never able to competely rack the slide and engage, so 10 seconds) it takes for you to draw and engage = Death

 

[lashicoN]

Jeez. Did he have bullets in his gun?

 

[IndySSD]

Is it my poor eyesight tricking me or did that guy draw from his left hip, transition the pistol to his right hand and attempt to rack the slide with his left hand?

W.T.H.?

 

[T.Lex]

I was trying to sort that out, too. Frankly, it seems like it is more of a training issue. He had time to rack (at least 2x). He just didn't get it done.

But, in trying to figure out where he was carrying it, I think it might've been in a shoulder rig in his left armpit?

Either way, he was almost toast from the get-go, since it looks like he didn't realize he was in trouble until he was shot the first time.

Any idea what happened to the guy? Dead? And also, why was he working alone? That seems... not smart.

Edit:
Found a bit more information, although.... it has some factual issues (like calling dude's gun a revolver). *facepalm*
http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f166/jewellery-shop-worker-shot-killed-during-robbery-34402/

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Well, yeah, he bow and arrowed the slide like a Call of Duty playing 14 year old.

But, in trying to figure out where he was carrying it, I think it might've been in a shoulder rig in his left armpit?

Isn't that cross draw?

Bow and arrowing, dorky little gun and a cross draw rig . . . WAAAAYYYY too many movies or gun boards (I want me a light gun). Get thee to Gunsite, and not a nunnery.

 

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The man was killed...

 

[Demo]

Is it just me or was the gentleman the first and only target? Looks like they knew he was the only one carrying.

Very sad.

 

[mrortega]

The poor guy may have been screwed from the start. It looks like he was shot immediately but had time to fumble for his gun. IF it had been chamber loaded like it should have been he may have prevented being shot a few more times, one of which may have been the fatal shot. Just goes to show how fast something can go down.

 

[Cemetery-man]

It also appeared that even with all that jewelry in the cases the only thing they took was his gun.

 

[gunman41mag]

He just learn that an unload gun is nothing more than a paper weight

 

[88GT]

I was trying to sort that out, too. Frankly, it seems like it is more of a training issue. He had time to rack (at least 2x). He just didn't get it done.


Either way, he was almost toast from the get-go, since it looks like he didn't realize he was in trouble until he was shot the first time.

Yeah, I don't think there was any indication trouble was at hand until the first shot was fired. Completely blindsided.

I disagree that training would have done anything to help though. All the training in the world can't stack the cards that have already been dealt.

I'm not so sure he carried in condition 3 either. I'm wondering if he forgot to disengage the safety and thought the resulting FTF was a malfunction, after which he cycled the slide to clear the malf and resumed shooting.

And he keeps "shooting" right before his face is introduced to the boot. If it's not firing, why doesn't he go back to trying to clear it? what would make him repeatedly pull the trigger with results? Sometimes I swear he actually gets a round or two off. The gun jerks just a little too much in a recoil-like manner or the graininess of the video makes it look like a puff of smoke. But when I watch it again I don't see it.

Oh, well. Just Monday morning quarterbacking. Interesting to consider though.

 

[mrortega]

Yeah, I don't think there was any indication trouble was at hand until the first shot was fired. Completely blindsided.

I disagree that training would have done anything to help though. All the training in the world can't stack the cards that have already been dealt.

I'm not so sure he carried in condition 3 either. I'm wondering if he forgot to disengage the safety and thought the resulting FTF was a malfunction, after which he cycled the slide to clear the malf and resumed shooting.

And he keeps "shooting" right before his face is introduced to the boot. If it's not firing, why doesn't he go back to trying to clear it? what would make him repeatedly pull the trigger with results? Sometimes I swear he actually gets a round or two off. The gun jerks just a little too much in a recoil-like manner or the graininess of the video makes it look like a puff of smoke. But when I watch it again I don't see it.

Oh, well. Just Monday morning quarterbacking. Interesting to consider though.

He was in full panic mode after being surprised. I've read stories of Civil War soldiers panicking in battle to the point that they kept loading their muskets without firing. Rifles were found with mini balls loaded all the way to the muzzle.

 

[J_Wales]

Cocked, locked, ready to rock.... there's no other way.

 

[wabash]

that was rough.

no comments in this thread about choosing a revolver?

It also appeared that even with all that jewelry in the cases the only thing they took was his gun.

according to the linked article, the motivation was revenge. the victim in the video had killed someone else.

 

[sdman11890]

Looks more like a training issue to me. If he had known he was in trouble, he could've been a lot more prepared.

Not saying I advocate condition 3, but it definitely could have gone better for him.

 

[thumperdogg]

I choose to carry not chambered. I know the risk involved in it, just like this video. However, I do practice regularly drawing and cocking the slide of my pistol. My timing is fairly fast and I believe if you carry un-chambered, you should definitely practice practice practice!!!