America Was Never That Great

[IndyTom]

I absolutely support his right to say such things. That is one of the beautiful things about our country.

It doesn't make me think he is any less of a stinking pile of excrement, though.

 

[T.Lex]

Wait.

A guy who is the product of one of the most powerful families in NY says America was "never" that great?

Color me confused.

Seems to have worked out pretty well for him and his.

 

[KMaC]

Wait.

A guy who is the product of one of the most powerful families in NY says America was "never" that great?

Color me confused.

Seems to have worked out pretty well for him and his.

Yeah! And I'm never watching a NFL game again!
Wait, I too am confused. Thought I was in the Kaepernick thread. Never mind.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

To understand this idiot and his idiot brother, all you have to do is look to the father. Apples didn't roll when they hit the ground

 

[HoughMade]

Wait.

A guy who is the product of one of the most powerful families in NY says America was "never" that great?

Color me confused.

Seems to have worked out pretty well for him and his.

He comes by this naturally:

Decrying how bad it is in America...while holding one of the most powerful post in the state with the largest city in the country.

[video=youtube;kOdIqKsv624]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdIqKsv624[/video]

 

[nonobaddog]

Heck I can even get a ticket and be arrested if I'm rude to a police officer, or someone else representing the state.

You can certainly get arrested in the US for being rude to a cop, or shot. Not by the average officer but just pick the wrong one and it's on. They are mostly good but there are too many bad ones working now.

 

[HoughMade]

You can certainly get arrested in the US for being rude to a cop, or shot. Not by the average officer but just pick the wrong one and it's on. They are mostly good but there are too many bad ones working now.

Yeah, but he's talking about something that is officially sanctioned.

 

[GIJEW]

I hope no one is calling for his arrest. I know I'm not. We need these goof-balls saying this stuff. We always knew how they felt but until the last few years, they couched it and spun it to sound less outrageous than it really was. Used to only the fringes like Farakhan or some such would say these things.

You do have a freedom to say these things. You are not free from the repercussions from your viewers and customers. That's also what makes this country great. He can say them and we can respond accordingly. With freedom comes responsibility -- in equal portions.

Do you remember what it was like here during the vietnam war? This kind of stupid talk won't hurt him or his ilk either because the left is full of useful idiots who think socialism=utopia and that bernie sanders is the messiah. Any leftist acolytes who didn't cheer are just politically aware enough to know that the USA doesnt' stop at the banks of the hudson river

 

[Sylvain]

Yeah, but he's talking about something that is officially sanctioned.

Yep, up to 6 months in jail and something like a $8,000 fine.
They can usually keep you 24 hours in jail too.

Lots of cops make extra money by pressing charging when people are rude to them.

Insulting/abusive behaviour (outrage)This is defined as behaviour – spoken or written words, body gestures, threats, images,throwing objects – with the aim of undermining the authority or dignity of public servants. This includes offensive behaviour towards law-enforcement and public duty officers, work ortraining inspectors or controllers, public transport employees (maximum sentence of 6 months in prison), public duty officers (professors, nurses; maximum fine of 7,500 euros). According to a recent law (March 18 2003), you can be charged for insulting or abusive behaviour against the French flag and national anthem (maximum fine of 7,500 euros if the offence is committed alone, or up to 6 months in prison if committed by a concerted group).

A judge has to decide if something you say is insulting or not.
I think a court of law ruled that calling a cop a "puppet" was not an insult.

There's a joke about a guy asking a cop "If I tell you that you're a moron, will you arrest me?" the cop answers "Yes, it's against the law".
The guy says "What if I just think it then?", "You can think whatever you want, I can't arrest you for thinking" replies the cop ... "In this case, I think you're a moron" replies the guy.

 

[rob63]

My wife is an attorney who occasionally has to deal with other attorneys in Albany. They have told her a number of times that the governor could possibly be the most crooked politician in the entire country, and they aren't conservatives, which seems to me to say a lot.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Does he forget that one time when Michelle Obama was proud of the US?

 

[HoughMade]

Does he forget that one time when Michelle Obama was proud of the US?

 

[Twangbanger]

Does he forget that one time when Michelle Obama was proud of the US?

This is getting close to what liberals are usually talking about, when they make statements like these. Racial Dog-Whistling 101.

View from the Right: America = imperfect but always great country, which has been getting rapidly less so because of modern decisions.

View from the Left: America = sh**hole country, until Lyndon Johnson came along.

It all boils down to a disagreement about the quality of those "modern decisions." Ask the question: "Was LBJ a net positive for the country, or a net negative?"

Comparing responses to that tells you if there's much common ground with the other person or not. In 1979, it was possible to have a civil conversation with those who disagreed on that. As we have recently seen on INGO, with each passing generation, there are more and more of those who make it less and less possible to do that.

It's getting worse, not better.

 

[Leadeye]

LBJ was a man of his time that made a number of mistakes that got a lot of young men killed. That said, it's difficult to make judgements about decisions today looking through the lens of history.

 

[Trigger Time]

Since when did anti-American become American? **** the Democrats. Get the hell out if you dont like this country and want to contribute to it. That's the difference in a free country is that you can leave at any time without being shot. However you are NOT free to change our form of government at anytime to fit your agenda. That will be met with a fierce resistance that your snowflake asses cant handle.

 

[Hawkeye7br]

I wonder what the response would have been if he had said "NYC was never great". His own contribution to the unemployment line?


On a related note, I have nothing against Indiana senator Joe Donnelly. But since I can't vote against the New York idiot Chuck Schumer, I can help take away his puppet Donnelly.

 

[Route 45]

LOOK: NY GOP Buys Cuomo One-Way Ticket to Canada After America 'Never Great' Remark | Fox News Insider

 

[Drail]

Yeterday I watched a documentary on the first American troops invading Germany in '44 and discovering Auschwitz and Buchenwald. The Americans were in total shock of what they were seeing. I'll guarantee you those prisoners thought America was pretty frikkin' great.

 

[Route 45]

I hold this truth to be self-evident...that this country is so ****ing great that even the *******s that hate it refuse to leave.

 

[Twangbanger]

Buying them a ticket to Canada is missing the point, though. Nobody (or I should qualify that with "almost" nobody) is disputing that America is great, now. Even most liberals. This is an argument about what America was _before_ Lyndon Johnson, ie, pre-Civil Rights act. According to liberals, the Civil Rights Act transformed America from shxthole to modern semi-utopia (in need of a little more tweaking, of course).

What is unique about this era, is that people like the Colin Kaepernicks, Black Lives Matter, Lizzie Pocahontas, etc. who seemingly lack the nostalgic preoccupation with the Civil Rights Act of their liberal forbears, are acting as if it never happened. They assert that the pre-LBJ "Shxthole America" older liberals know and love to talk about, STILL EXISTS TODAY in the US, and is being rolled out on a daily basis and practiced 24-7 on the streets of America, by institutional agents of the state. And they believe if you deny this, then you have potentially racist blinders over your eyes.