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But I certainly am not touching it. There's a lot of shades of Stephen Wolfe in that post.
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A National Divorce
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But I certainly am not touching it. There's a lot of shades of Stephen Wolfe in that post.
While I wholeheartedly agree about the path the Republic is taking, and that we are well past critical mass, the Communists, the Russians, the Cartels, the Islamo-Nazis, the Iranians, the Greens, European Socialists that aren't grateful their asses were saved twice in the 20th Century and the element of America that does not see the exceptionalism of this experiment in self-government would all cheer to see the nation fractured...just as Europe's colonial powers sat back hoping for a Confederate victory in the Civil War. A divided nation is easier to conquer.
Four of the first five groups listed above, if not all five groups, are already seated together at tables of communication figuring out how to piece apart the United States. The European Socialists and the Communists have only been on their missions for a century. The Chinese have been on this mission for over a millennia, the Iranians will wait as long as it takes, the Islamo-Nazis have no concept of time as it relates to the West and the Russians and the Cartels have benefitted from the extravagance of the West enough that they will be happy to get whatever piece best suits their interests.
A house divided cannot stand, and maybe you do not want that house to stand in the manner which it has stood since the fall of the Soviet Union. But I will still take our current circumstance by lifetimes over any other circumstance currently offered.
The Venn diagram of my political views and my worldview have an intersecting space that, day by day, have less and less common area. While my personal feelings have become more libertarian, I admit that my worldview is shaped by the post WW2 American hegemony of Reaganism. I have only known the United States to be the police of the world. I am not saying that we need to be the police of the world. But when the rest of the world has respected the military, political and moral power of the United States enough to back down, the civilized individuals of the world have lived their safest and most prosperous lives.
"Political and moral power in a nation that is decaying from moral rot?" I understand, what political power does a nation have when it's First Family, legislators and lobbyists are compromised by foreign money and influence? What moral power does a nation have when the cancer of gender dysphoria rules with an iron fist? Both questions are rhetorical, but I am not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
This is not me being afraid of losing investments or comfort. Its pragmatic. The world is a must smaller place than it was 250 years ago. The Colonial Powers of 18th and 19th Century Europe wanted resources and influence to benefit the Mother Country. At the very least, the United States shared a common culture with those powers. They wanted wealth, commerce, trade and influence, not an apocalyptic wasteland. For different reasons, the Communists, the Russians, the Cartels, the Islamo-Nazis and the Iranians want to be Rulers of a post-apocalyptic world where the United States ceases to exist.
As for the Greens, the European Socialists and Americans that do not see the exceptionalism of America, they would just see the downfall of America as a means to an end, they are just nihilists that believe in nothing.
What is the solution? One, we have to start educating our children. Teach children the events that led up to the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment. Teach them how corrupt Big Church had become in Europe. Teach them Adam Smith and John Locke. Teach real history. Help them learn the Declaration of Independence. Read the Federalist Papers. Read the Constitution. Here we are in all of the history of man and the American Revolution is still the only revolution that has made people's lives better around the world. Teach children about Federalism and State's Rights. Teach them about the War of 1812. Teach them about Texas independence, why it failed and why it became a state. Teach them about the Mexican-American War. Teach them about the Civil War. Teach them the good and the bad. We build upon the good and we learn and build upon the bad. Teach children about the Spanish-American War. Teach them that at the beginning of the 20th Century, America was on such a trajectory that it would have no rivals, no enemies and no heirs. Teach the Great War and World War II. Teach the value of winning the space race and eventually the Cold War. Raise Patriots.
That is how we get out of this mess. We have to make young people aware that this land of milk and honey did not just happen. This is not an accident. It was built with purpose and intent. We have allowed Hollywood, entertainment, Big Tech, and the education system lead two generations of youth in this nation to believe America is not exceptional and the third generation is currently being brainwashed.
We have to become energy independent again. That wields the greatest power in the history of man.
This is the Strong Men create bad times part of the allegory. Unfortunately, we have never had to have a sense of urgency like this in the past. We used to be able to rely upon the American way to fix problems because the culture was so strong. We no longer have that luxury so in order to make the change we are going to have to sacrifice. This generation of people with expendable income have never had more ways to entertain themselves - sports, online gambling, technology, video games, entertainment and I put no one down for enjoying themselves with their hard-earned money. But we need to start making some more time to teach our children the exceptionalism of this sweet and blessed land because, then and only then, will they see that it is worth having the necessary conversations, putting our feet down, saying no more and taking back our country.
For the last 250 years, people of the world have had a place to go for a better life. We are it, there is nowhere else to go.
Four of the first five groups listed above, if not all five groups, are already seated together at tables of communication figuring out how to piece apart the United States. The European Socialists and the Communists have only been on their missions for a century. The Chinese have been on this mission for over a millennia, the Iranians will wait as long as it takes, the Islamo-Nazis have no concept of time as it relates to the West and the Russians and the Cartels have benefitted from the extravagance of the West enough that they will be happy to get whatever piece best suits their interests.
A house divided cannot stand, and maybe you do not want that house to stand in the manner which it has stood since the fall of the Soviet Union. But I will still take our current circumstance by lifetimes over any other circumstance currently offered.
The Venn diagram of my political views and my worldview have an intersecting space that, day by day, have less and less common area. While my personal feelings have become more libertarian, I admit that my worldview is shaped by the post WW2 American hegemony of Reaganism. I have only known the United States to be the police of the world. I am not saying that we need to be the police of the world. But when the rest of the world has respected the military, political and moral power of the United States enough to back down, the civilized individuals of the world have lived their safest and most prosperous lives.
"Political and moral power in a nation that is decaying from moral rot?" I understand, what political power does a nation have when it's First Family, legislators and lobbyists are compromised by foreign money and influence? What moral power does a nation have when the cancer of gender dysphoria rules with an iron fist? Both questions are rhetorical, but I am not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
This is not me being afraid of losing investments or comfort. Its pragmatic. The world is a must smaller place than it was 250 years ago. The Colonial Powers of 18th and 19th Century Europe wanted resources and influence to benefit the Mother Country. At the very least, the United States shared a common culture with those powers. They wanted wealth, commerce, trade and influence, not an apocalyptic wasteland. For different reasons, the Communists, the Russians, the Cartels, the Islamo-Nazis and the Iranians want to be Rulers of a post-apocalyptic world where the United States ceases to exist.
As for the Greens, the European Socialists and Americans that do not see the exceptionalism of America, they would just see the downfall of America as a means to an end, they are just nihilists that believe in nothing.
What is the solution? One, we have to start educating our children. Teach children the events that led up to the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment. Teach them how corrupt Big Church had become in Europe. Teach them Adam Smith and John Locke. Teach real history. Help them learn the Declaration of Independence. Read the Federalist Papers. Read the Constitution. Here we are in all of the history of man and the American Revolution is still the only revolution that has made people's lives better around the world. Teach children about Federalism and State's Rights. Teach them about the War of 1812. Teach them about Texas independence, why it failed and why it became a state. Teach them about the Mexican-American War. Teach them about the Civil War. Teach them the good and the bad. We build upon the good and we learn and build upon the bad. Teach children about the Spanish-American War. Teach them that at the beginning of the 20th Century, America was on such a trajectory that it would have no rivals, no enemies and no heirs. Teach the Great War and World War II. Teach the value of winning the space race and eventually the Cold War. Raise Patriots.
That is how we get out of this mess. We have to make young people aware that this land of milk and honey did not just happen. This is not an accident. It was built with purpose and intent. We have allowed Hollywood, entertainment, Big Tech, and the education system lead two generations of youth in this nation to believe America is not exceptional and the third generation is currently being brainwashed.
We have to become energy independent again. That wields the greatest power in the history of man.
This is the Strong Men create bad times part of the allegory. Unfortunately, we have never had to have a sense of urgency like this in the past. We used to be able to rely upon the American way to fix problems because the culture was so strong. We no longer have that luxury so in order to make the change we are going to have to sacrifice. This generation of people with expendable income have never had more ways to entertain themselves - sports, online gambling, technology, video games, entertainment and I put no one down for enjoying themselves with their hard-earned money. But we need to start making some more time to teach our children the exceptionalism of this sweet and blessed land because, then and only then, will they see that it is worth having the necessary conversations, putting our feet down, saying no more and taking back our country.
For the last 250 years, people of the world have had a place to go for a better life. We are it, there is nowhere else to go.
While nationalism isn't wrong, I am ashamed to be compared to Wolfe.
In order to squarely upset the entirety of the thread, I'm not a believer in any sort of religion and I think anything founded in religion would eventually face the same problems we are now and for the same reasons.
Also, pardon my ignorance, who is Jimmy that Greek?
Never mind I did some quick googlefu. I thought he was perhaps a forum user I was unaware of, but it turns out he's a long dead sports ball announcer and equally relevant.
More like an odds maker. That's what he was best known for.
That and his infamous comment concerning, "fast twitch muscles" that ended his career with CBS.
I'm not familiar with that.
The jist of my 5 minutes googling is that he said something pseudo scientific about blacks today being bigger and stronger than whites because slaves were bred that way. There may be something to that in very particular circumstances, but mostly it's a calorie intake during childhood thing that really determines whether or not you'll reach the full height your genes can give you.
Jimmy the Greek said:
The ESPN 30 for 30 documentary on him is pretty good and fair.
edit: for some reason I was thinking fast twitch, but close enough.
Blacks actually do have more natural fast twitch muscle fibers on average. I think Joe Rogan caught some Doo Doo for quoting a study. I believe it's referenced as a certain type of anaerobic skeletal muscle yada yada and is referenced in some vascular disease hypothesis the study was trying to answer. It's all a bit fuzzy anymore as it was years ago as far as I can remember.
Quick edit: I have no idea how much more or even whether this is relevant enough to performance to matter or not.
AndreusMaximus
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I don't know how this upsets anything in this thread. I had gotten that notion pretty firmly from your longer post above.
You may call me a pearl-clutching Karen all you wish, but I'm afraid we're simply too far divided to have a meaningful conversation. Discussions via text over the internet with faceless strangers are always difficult, and starting out from such vastly different points of view, there's way too much we would have to hash over before we could ever get to a point of meaningful discussion.
I can only say that, with every fiber of my being, I reject your pseudo-scientific brand of racism (if that word is too triggering for you, then feel free to substitute it with whatever word you think accurately describes your system of beliefs that clearly calls a particular race genetically inferior on moral matters in our country.)
I have no idea how I would even begin to articulate my reasons for this without bringing religion into it, though, so I'm afraid I'll simply have to leave this discussion alone.
manifest destiny
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I may have misread the tone of your reply. Or better stated, I may have read tone into your reply that wasn't there. I apologize for my snark in the follow up. I also have almost no vision regarding societal divorce as it's being called. There are no clear cut lines to make a break. At least not that I can see. But we have more states in insurrection now than pre-civil war - think sanctuary states, outlawing energy sources, allowing elicit drug use/sales. Our federal gov't is willingly ignoring their own written laws on immigration. And the 600 or so people (house, senate, executive, scotus) in charge of ruling the 350 million or so citizens all appear to be grifters without allegiance to America. I'm hoping we find a way to release some of the pressure without violence. In that regard I'm willing to listen to ideas even if they're outlandish. Something
As I started reading this I though, okay. Fine. I'll give it a chance. But I stopped reading at "blacks average somewhere around 80." That's nonsense. 80 is just above retarded. So you're saying blacks average just above retarded? American blacks do score less than whites on IQ tests. Not 20-25 points less.
Now, what does that have to do with the point, that red states on balance have a net negative in terms of federal spending? Are you asserting that blue states have a lower ghetto population? I mean, you're right that R45's point is bull ****. But you're wrong about why that is.
Twangbanger
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The "internet was free," for a while, until it wasn't. And similarly, I think the American system of (federal) government has simply reached its shelf-life date, in terms of being free and not being run by interest-grifters. The country's founders seemed to know this would happen, and alluded to it in their writings on the subject. So they tried to kick the can down the road as far as they could with checks and balances. But it only lasted so long. When a critical mass of the grifters all thinks the same, unfortunately ol' br'er rabbit is gonna get where he wants to go.
The data we currently have is that American blacks are 2 standard deviations below whites when it comes to I.Q. this is approximately 20 points. So, yes, if you want to interpret the data that way it is reasonable to say on average black i.q. is one standard deviation above retarded. Maybe the pattern recognition test is just racist. I'm willing to talk about it if you're willing to Google the numbers. However, I also stated that this isn't inherently bad if you understand what i.q. actually implies. Yes 80 is low, but it isn't as low as it seems when compared to a learning disability. 70 is also just borderline retarded. This whole thing is written about previously in the context of strawman and steel man.
This also doesn't mean that blacks are precluded from producing geniuses or that they're stuck at 80 for all time. The Ashkenazi Jews had an average of 90 and over a few generations of dedicated attempts it's now higher than whites at 110-115 on average. What I'm saying is that the data we have isn't pretty and burying your head in the sand over numbers isn't going to help anyone.
I'm fairly positive the point I was countering was his posting of crime stats and other negative implications being a red problem instead of a crime ridden dem hell hole problem within red states and when the stats are broken down blacks are disproportionally represented criminally or in single parent households etc. I'm unsure of where the federal spending portion came into play and I don't want to comment on it without the full context.
Twangbanger
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You do realize the red part and blue part are different things, don't you? And that he could be saying one, without saying the other?
AndreusMaximus
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Yes, what you just said is exactly what I meant. That's why I added the part in red, precisely because it is not redundant, nor the same, as the part in blue, and why I said I could have read it wrong and was looking for further clarification.
It looks to me like it's been clarified pretty well since I made those comments, though.
Source?
If you're going to use that to say that race accounts for the crime in red states being higher than in blue states, then you must establish that red states have more ghettoland compared to blue states.
And don't get me wrong. He was full of ****. But there's a better explanation available.
manifest destiny
Master
Bell Curve. 1994.
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