A Look At Reid's Bill

[mrjarrell]

Well, since the lunatics on both sides seem to be running the asylum inside the Beltway and Reid is filibustering his own bill (for all intents and purposes) it's time to take a look at his bill. It's even more distasteful than Boehner's bill was. It's actually a spending bill with only a $1 trillion in "cuts" and lets the congress off for the next two years from even producing a budget, (one of the only things they are Constitutionally required to do). None of these loons want to cut the debt or do the necessary things to keep this nation solvent (as long as it can be). Come election day there are going to be some surprised *******s on both sides who are going to see that not all voters have short memories.

What’s so wrong with Reid’s bill? « Hot Air

 

[sharpetop]

Mmmm! I wonder where Dick Luger stands! Money says he'll vote which ever way preserves his job!

 

[kevman65]

All either side wants to do is save their pets and sacrifice the other sides pets. Neither side cares about what they are doing to this Country and are just trying to make the other side the culprit in time for the elections.

Vote ALL incumbents out in the next two elections (remember Senators are on a different election cycle) and let ALL politicians know we are tired of the rhetoric from both sides. Either do the assigned job for the best of the Country or don't unpack when you move in.

 

[rambone]

Titanic failure

There is an iceberg at the end of both of these economic plans.

 

[indykid]

What really makes me sick is that the cuts proposed are just cuts in the increase in spending and not true cuts in the overall budget that would cut the deficit.

In terms I can understand, they are basically saying we were going to increase spending $10 but agree to only increase spending $9. Then they brag about a 10% cut in spending when in fact it is only a cut in the increase over last budget.

Eventually the budget will be so many dollars they will have to invent a new form of counting.

 

[Dogman]

Mmmm! I wonder where Dick Luger stands! Money says he'll vote which ever way preserves his job!

He'll vote with rest of the Democrats

 

[DragonGunner]

At least most the (R) tried, if you want real change you going to have to get more (R) in control....then we would have to see if they then would really cut...as it is now though obama an the (D) won't do it no matter what. What will this bill do....well the cuts raen't really going to be cuts, by the time you cut a trillion over the next 10 yrs, that would mean in 10 yrs the debt will be at 28 Trillion. I think the Tea party an most (R) get it,......but not mainstream media an the obama followers.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

At least most the (R) tried, if you want real change you going to have to get more (R) in control....then we would have to see if they then would really cut...as it is now though obama an the (D) won't do it no matter what. What will this bill do....well the cuts raen't really going to be cuts, by the time you cut a trillion over the next 10 yrs, that would mean in 10 yrs the debt will be at 28 Trillion. I think the Tea party an most (R) get it,......but not mainstream media an the obama followers.

So if only the republicans get it, how come they never reigned in spending during the Bush Jr. years? Repubs controlled house and senate until 2007. To keep blaming all our problems on 1 party is rediculous and irresponsible. Im not sure if its ever happened but as far as i know there hasnt been a different prez of the same pary re-elected. If republicans are against welfare etc, how come they never quit funding those programs when they are in control?

 

[Pocketman]

At least most the (R) tried, if you want real change you going to have to get more (R) in control....then we would have to see if they then would really cut...as it is now though obama an the (D) won't do it no matter what. What will this bill do....well the cuts raen't really going to be cuts, by the time you cut a trillion over the next 10 yrs, that would mean in 10 yrs the debt will be at 28 Trillion. I think the Tea party an most (R) get it,......but not mainstream media an the obama followers.

Be careful what your drink. Flavors may be different, but both parties are serving Kool Aid.

 

[indykid]

Granted the republicans were in control during the Bush2 years, but I believe a lot of the problem with spending was the result of a forgotten fact, that there were a few more buildings in the skyline of New York City when Bush2 took office, not to mention the 3000 or so people who are no longer with us. How soon we forget the reason for much of the cost.

 

[Pocketman]

Granted the republicans were in control during the Bush2 years, but I believe a lot of the problem with spending was the result of a forgotten fact, that there were a few more buildings in the skyline of New York City when Bush2 took office, not to mention the 3000 or so people who are no longer with us. How soon we forget the reason for much of the cost.

The U.S. debt problem goes much beyond G.W. and Obama. As a percentage of GDP, the last time U.S. public debt decreased under a Republican president, was Nixon. Obama is the first D president to raise the debt ratio since Roosevelt. Point is, just putting more Republicans into power will not solve this problem. All politicians have their favors to pay back.

It's the Washington mindset that needs to be changed, not simply the political party.

 

[other guy]

What really makes me sick is that the cuts proposed are just cuts in the increase in spending and not true cuts in the overall budget that would cut the deficit.

In terms I can understand, they are basically saying we were going to increase spending $10 but agree to only increase spending $9. Then they brag about a 10% cut in spending when in fact it is only a cut in the increase over last budget.

Eventually the budget will be so many dollars they will have to invent a new form of counting.

OR to put it another way, If you have a 1.2 trillion deficit for this year, and you cut the budget 500 billion for next year, you will still`have a .7 trillion deficit next year. AND they are talking only cutting about 100 billion a year, so the deficit will continue to grow . The only way to solve this in the end is by getting people back to work and paying taxes instead of collecting unemployment, food stamps, and welfare. This is hard to do when the JOB CREATERS keep creating jobs overseas to get cheap labor. So, I don't see any solution in the near future. Unfortunately for us all .

 

[DragonGunner]

So if only the republicans get it, how come they never reigned in spending during the Bush Jr. years? Repubs controlled house and senate until 2007. To keep blaming all our problems on 1 party is rediculous and irresponsible. Im not sure if its ever happened but as far as i know there hasnt been a different prez of the same pary re-elected. If republicans are against welfare etc, how come they never quit funding those programs when they are in control?

I agree, however they are showing it now, an not the (D). Like I said they may get control an still not do anything. One thing that has changed from the Bush yrs. is the Tea Party, without those it would of been corrupt business as always. I beleive the Tea Party help get some polititicians in there that we needed. I have no Faith in the (R) party, an even less in the (D) party...but seems the (R)'s with the Tea Party might be able to help....its only hope on my part. I consider myself a Consevative that believes in the Republic. Tough to find those to vote for these days though.

 

[DarkLight]

The U.S. debt problem goes much beyond G.W. and Obama. As a percentage of GDP, the last time U.S. public debt decreased under a Republican president, was Nixon. Obama is the first D president to raise the debt ratio since Roosevelt. Point is, just putting more Republicans into power will not solve this problem. All politicians have their favors to pay back.

It's the Washington mindset that needs to be changed, not simply the political party.

[Please Excuse the Rant]

PEOPLE, STOP voting on party, START voting on the ISSUES and INDIVIDUALS!!!

Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same wooden nickel. America can not survive on either one of their poisoned kool-aides.

Truly they have turned the entire system into a downgraded football game, they WANT you to think that all there is, is Blue or Red. And each side is the absolute god of righteousness to its people. All the while they play the field to increase THEIR power, THEIR pay, and make it that much harder for normal people to threaten THEIR power and pay.

How else can you explain the thousands of pages to the Health Care Bill, or the Patriot Act. These politicians have successfully manipulated the field of play so that only a hard core lawyer (in the future only those from 'prestigious' families) can understand these bills. Its really very ingenious and I would have to complement them on it if it didn't **** me. They have secured the system so that our country will require more and more lawyers and politicians thus securing their jobs and jobs for their children.

The Republican party claims to be conservative, which from its history, clearly is not.

The Democrats party claims to be for the little guy, but from their history more boarders corrupt Communist and Socialist systems.

The Tea Party started out as an answer to America's true Interests; but it was quickly infiltrated by closet Republicans who started to steer it back to their corner.

There are two major points I have to make out of all this. Don't vote on someone, just because you think they can win; Vote on who you agree with the most!

Second, understand and realize that WE are the ones that have allowed our nation to fall this far. WE fell for their games, WE allowed them to do as they pleased, and WE pointed fingers.

Now WE must pay the price so that we can try and fix this country for the future generations. We are going to have to pay higher taxes. We are going to have to accept cuts or even complete losses of social systems such as Social Security and Medicare. We are going to have to vote for people based on the issues they stand for, not the political party backing them. AND hold them accountable if they purposefully betray those issues.

WE are the adults right now, during this crisis. AND we must be the ones to bite the bullet so that we don't push it on to those that come after us.

[End Rant]

 

[Expat]

I am watching NBC nightly news. In the story on the "crisis", Ms. ODonnell was talking about how uncertain things still are right now even with the deal. The Tea Party Congressman have them all honestly confused. They appear to not care if they get reelected. Speaker Boehner is especially confused. They can't be bought off with pork as the leaders usually do when they need votes from the members. I had not heard any of that about them. Maybe they are worth a **** after all. Good work to our Tea Party members of Congress.

 

[Fletch]

I am watching NBC nightly news. In the story on the "crisis", Ms. ODonnell was talking about how uncertain things still are right now even with the deal. The Tea Party Congressman have them all honestly confused. They appear to not care if they get reelected. Speaker Boehner is especially confused. They can't be bought off with pork as the leaders usually do when they need votes from the members. I had not heard any of that about them. Maybe they are worth a **** after all. Good work to our Tea Party members of Congress.

Don't care if they get reelected? Can't be bought off with pork?

Put me down for an order of 535 of those, please.

 

[Expat]

Don't care if they get reelected? Can't be bought off with pork?

Put me down for an order of 535 of those, please.

Unfortunately since NBC reported it, I am suspicious....