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Why Was Hip Shooting Ever a Thing?
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If you point your finger at something, without looking, the finger will line up on the object, just as a pistol would. The grip angle of the 1873 Peacemaker, and the grip angle of the 1911 are the same angle from your hand and index finger. While repeated shots might miss (for me maybe) it is entirely possible to hit on the first shot. I am not a great shot, but I am a decent shot, and with a single action I have hip shot rabbits, and cans. Wild Bill Hickock used 1851 Navy pistols, the grip angle is like the 1873, so quick draw, hip shots, whatever you call them are possible. There was a video with G.Gordon Liddy, shooting rapid fire from the hip with a revolver, it was taught, and can be done. Is it practical? not always, but for a first shot, and with training, it is possible...plus it does look cool.
That’s sort of the same “theory” behind thumbs forward these days as well. I get it in a way but not sure if that is 100% either
Revolvers were never gripped that way back Jon the day until the ones that started on autos with thumbs forward started shooting revolvers. Sac religious if you ask me LOL
I shoot weaver stance I am left eye dominant and right handed. It works best for me I don’t care what the interwebs say. I also have a light on my carry pistol take a low light class and see why.
I have only drawn my pistol in anger twice. Once in Afghanistan then in Iraq we thought we found a tunnel so I was gonna go full tunnel rat. This was not smart I am not a small dude turned out to be a septic tank.
I have only drawn my pistol in anger twice. Once in Afghanistan then in Iraq we thought we found a tunnel so I was gonna go full tunnel rat. This was not smart I am not a small dude turned out to be a septic tank.
It makes it quicker to miss.
However when I was a teenager I got really good at it. I had a single action army look alike in 22 caliber pellet.
My Uncle wanted to see me hit a 50¢ piece at about 5 yds and I did.
I also hit a muskrat at about 6 or 7 yd just as he broke the surface of the river.
No, I can't do that crap anymore.
However when I was a teenager I got really good at it. I had a single action army look alike in 22 caliber pellet.
My Uncle wanted to see me hit a 50¢ piece at about 5 yds and I did.
I also hit a muskrat at about 6 or 7 yd just as he broke the surface of the river.
No, I can't do that crap anymore.
Two things.
1.) I have one gun that naturally points, sights on target (close enough for 3-5 yards), where I point it: the G21gen4. I think that is quite amazing, in itself.
2.) So far, I don't believe anyone has referenced hip-shooting from the intended target's point of view. If you draw a gun on me, whether you are aiming, or hip-shooting, you will get my full, immediate, and undivided attention. My behavior will be adjusted accordingly. Turn, duck, run, retrieve my own gun, whatever.... And in that light, the hip shooter has accomplished his mission, NOT GETTING KILLED. I am sure anyone who resorts to this style because he can get me to change my ways, quickly, will follow up those hip shots with well-aimed, effective fire. Hence my haste to modify my behavior.
1.) I have one gun that naturally points, sights on target (close enough for 3-5 yards), where I point it: the G21gen4. I think that is quite amazing, in itself.
2.) So far, I don't believe anyone has referenced hip-shooting from the intended target's point of view. If you draw a gun on me, whether you are aiming, or hip-shooting, you will get my full, immediate, and undivided attention. My behavior will be adjusted accordingly. Turn, duck, run, retrieve my own gun, whatever.... And in that light, the hip shooter has accomplished his mission, NOT GETTING KILLED. I am sure anyone who resorts to this style because he can get me to change my ways, quickly, will follow up those hip shots with well-aimed, effective fire. Hence my haste to modify my behavior.
I have had quite a few folks tell me that right-handed, left-eyed is just WRONG. They seem to understand much better when I tell them the alternative is random, unaimed shooting. I've been blind in my right eye for more than 30 years. I struggle mightily with depth perception, but I can see a post in a notch just fine, with my left eye.
FIBS = Flying Inflatable Boat Squadron?
indiucky
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"According to the FBI, the average gunfight takes place at a distance of three yards, with three rounds fired over three seconds. 93.1% of shootings occur between three and seven yards, and more than 80% at three to five yards. Some say that most defensive firearm uses are not as close as three to five feet, and that those tend to be outliers.
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What is a good distance to train for self defense? - On Range
Sep 29, 2023 — 93.1 % of shootings occured between 3 and7 yards, and more than 80 percent at 3-5 yards. I haven't seen data for defensive firearm uses showing that most are as close as 3-5 feet. Those tend to be outliers. “FBI stats say the average gunfight includes three rounds fired over three seconds from a distance of 3 yards.”
Some say that you should prioritize your efforts to deal with the three to five yard problem. Others say that you need to make that first shot count, no matter the distance. For example, Sgt. Johnson made a one-handed shot at 104 yards while holding the reins of two horses.
Most self defense situations are resolved with about three to five shots, if it comes to actually having to fire a gun. If you hit a vital structure (heart, great vessels, upper spinal cord, brain) with any of the Common Defensive Handgun Calibers (.38Spl/9mm up to .45), one vital hit will stop an attacker about 85% of the time, so two vital hits should stop almost all the rest."
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What is a good distance to train for self defense? - On Range
Sep 29, 2023 — 93.1 % of shootings occured between 3 and7 yards, and more than 80 percent at 3-5 yards. I haven't seen data for defensive firearm uses showing that most are as close as 3-5 feet. Those tend to be outliers. “FBI stats say the average gunfight includes three rounds fired over three seconds from a distance of 3 yards.”
Some say that you should prioritize your efforts to deal with the three to five yard problem. Others say that you need to make that first shot count, no matter the distance. For example, Sgt. Johnson made a one-handed shot at 104 yards while holding the reins of two horses.
Most self defense situations are resolved with about three to five shots, if it comes to actually having to fire a gun. If you hit a vital structure (heart, great vessels, upper spinal cord, brain) with any of the Common Defensive Handgun Calibers (.38Spl/9mm up to .45), one vital hit will stop an attacker about 85% of the time, so two vital hits should stop almost all the rest."
I hate to be the party-pooper, but this is only part of the story. I'll give you MOST upper spinal cord hits will incapacitate quickly, and MOST brain shots will incapacitate quickly. Quickly is relative. At C5 and below, the victim is still able to breathe, pump blood, and possibly even use arms and legs; hardly an end to the threat. A good brain shot, with a high-velocity expanding bullet will almost certainly end the fight, quickly. A poorly placed brain shot with less disruptive round is quite survivable.
The heart and large vessels are another story entirely. With those shots, incapacitation comes when blood pressure and or oxygen levels no longer support consciousness. Make no mistake, I am saying directly, even a good shot with good ammo, right through the left ventricle, does not incapacitate quickly. "QUICKLY" meaning an immediate end to the fight. Fatal? Almost certainly. Quicky enough that the shot alone takes the victim out of the fight? Not likely. Even if the attacker can only maintain the fight for only 10 seconds to 2 or 3 minutes, you are still in very large pile of doo-doo. Which means you need to stay in the fight until it is over... completely.
I've never drawn my gun in anger. I hope I never have to. In the event that I do, at sometime, come to that conclusion, you can bet your sweet bippy I'm not going to fire one round and hope my attacker gives up. You have signed up for whatever capacity I am carrying. The only way out is excuse yourself from the fight. Run, throw the gun and give up, fall down and/or die, I have no interest in which. As long as you are still vertical and holding a lethal weapon, close enough to make it effective, rest assured, I'm still pulling the trigger.
My guess is that any hip-shooters engaging a deadly threat, used the hip-shot(s) to get rounds downrange quickly, and just as quickly followed up those shots with more effective aimed fire.
indiucky
Grandmaster
I just quoted a study done on the subject....it's only part of the story because that's how much of the quote I pulled...probably should've cut it off at the average range but I didn't want to be accused of only telling part of the story...
I am no Paul Harvey...and I know nothing about pooping at no parties...because that one time was just an accident...I was trying to be funny...never mind....
sloughfoot
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The most funnest handgun class I ever took was a point shooting class a decade ago. At the end of the day, we were all getting hits at 50 yards. It was a load of fun.
Another tool in the toolbox. That's all. We were all police officers on our own time.... Just trying to be better.
Have any of you ever shot an iron sighted AR with only the front sight? And gotten solid hits out to 200 yards? How about using the line between the handguards on the A2 to get hits up close?
Another tool in the toolbox. That's all. We were all police officers on our own time.... Just trying to be better.
Have any of you ever shot an iron sighted AR with only the front sight? And gotten solid hits out to 200 yards? How about using the line between the handguards on the A2 to get hits up close?
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FIBS: That’s what cheese heads call Illinois people. That and “flat landers”
While this another interesting definition for FIBS, I'm still not making the connection that @armalitesheepdog was trying to make in his post ...
Maybe I'm not drinking enough? Maybe I've had too much to drink? Maybe this FIBS Thing isn't real and this is all just a dream?
It basically comes down to 'Some can do it...other's cannot!' It's the same for shooting, period!
Of 3 Gun, my wife's forte is shotgun...skeet and trap...she's a naturally hand-eye coordinated individual for that sport all day long!
Rifle...we're pretty identical out to 300 yards all day long!
Handgun, is my forte...hands down! I have to work at skeet / trap shooting, focusing on slowing down, breathing correctly, etc.
My wife does not like handgun...period! Her 'go-to' gun is her Remington 870 20GA Tactical (loaded #3 shot)...and she LOVES it!
Some people do some things naturally...
Others, have to work at skill development, and do achieve some degrees of success...
And there are those who, even with work, do not achieve similar degrees of success...
If you tuck your chin to your right shoulder you can adjust your stance.
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