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  • Twangbanger

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    Doesn’t matter who they are if you don’t have the majority. You don’t win Ca/Ny house seats with hard line conservatives. You get Pelosi’s replacement without them.
    If the majority doesn't return tangible benefits to the base conservative voter, the base conservative voter isn't going to be as interested in allowing the GOP to keep that majority. Being the "last best chance against socialism" isn't going to be a good enough brand for the GOP anymore. If it's 60mph toward the cliff vs. 90mph, that's just not perceived as enough benefit by a lot of people.

    McCarthy was setting up a Ukraine / Border Security deal which would have instantiated a tolerable "migrant entry level" at something like 30,000 per week, or 8,000 in a single day. This was what the conservative voter was supposed to accept, in exchange for allowing Ukraine aid to pass.

    Congress didn't repeal Obamacare, because of RINOs like McCain - the sort of RINOs people "like you" would probably vehemently declare that we need.

    Congress won't stop the Government spying on us via the Tech Industry.

    Congress won't secure the border, because too many Neocon/Rino/Neoliberal/Pro-Business interests have an interest in keeping it the way it is.

    Congress can't stop Soros Prosecutors from getting elected by Cities.

    Congress can't make or prevent States enacting abortion, transgender, or other hot-button social legislation.

    I think we're just seeing the "conservative voter" become a lot more discerning about the true value of a majority in a given chamber. There has to be a transactional transfer of benefits, in exchange for votes. Everybody seems to be getting their vote "bought" except "us." And it only takes one Chamber to prevent an AW ban.
     

    BugI02

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    RNC going to officially try ballot harvesting.
    Possibly other tricks of the Democrat party as well. We will see if this helps.
    However, if Republican states haven't made decent laws fixing vote fraud I see 2020 happening again.
    Also need to make harsh prison sentences for those caught rigging the election, and committing vote fraud.
    And the stupid 'it wasn't enough to change the outcome' canard needs to dropped like the turd it is

    Fraud is fraud, we wouldn't let someone off for embezzling just because 'it wasn't enough to bankrupt the company'
     
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    BugI02

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    If the majority doesn't return tangible benefits to the base conservative voter, the base conservative voter isn't going to be as interested in allowing the GOP to keep that majority. Being the "last best chance against socialism" isn't going to be a good enough brand for the GOP anymore. If it's 60mph toward the cliff vs. 90mph, that's just not perceived as enough benefit by a lot of people.
    THIS ^^^ right here. It doesn't seem that different to me if the balloon goes up now or 2 years from now, except ammo will be more expensive and harder to get with more unconstitutional interference

    To be seen as worth the trouble, republicans need to be seen as making a difference, and it needs to be in a broad range of areas across a very wide spectrum of daily life because of how bad things have already gotten. Even halting the slide just isn't enough any more, unless you think you'd like to live out your days under the current system and what it might mutate into
     

    HKFaninCarmel

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    I wanted the guy who proved he can deliver to be on the ticket. If you didn’t get enough return on your vote in 2016, maybe it was time for a new a person at the top. You need a bigger majority or stronger executive orders.
    If the majority doesn't return tangible benefits to the base conservative voter, the base conservative voter isn't going to be as interested in allowing the GOP to keep that majority. Being the "last best chance against socialism" isn't going to be a good enough brand for the GOP anymore. If it's 60mph toward the cliff vs. 90mph, that's just not perceived as enough benefit by a lot of people.

    McCarthy was setting up a Ukraine / Border Security deal which would have instantiated a tolerable "migrant entry level" at something like 30,000 per week, or 8,000 in a single day. This was what the conservative voter was supposed to accept, in exchange for allowing Ukraine aid to pass.

    Congress didn't repeal Obamacare, because of RINOs like McCain - the sort of RINOs people "like you" would probably vehemently declare that we need.

    Congress won't stop the Government spying on us via the Tech Industry.

    Congress won't secure the border, because too many Neocon/Rino/Neoliberal/Pro-Business interests have an interest in keeping it the way it is.

    Congress can't stop Soros Prosecutors from getting elected by Cities.

    Congress can't make or prevent States enacting abortion, transgender, or other hot-button social legislation.

    I think we're just seeing the "conservative voter" become a lot more discerning about the true value of a majority in a given chamber. There has to be a transactional transfer of benefits, in exchange for votes. Everybody seems to be getting their vote "bought" except "us." And it only takes one Chamber to prevent an AW ban.
     

    BugI02

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    I wanted the guy who proved he can deliver to be on the ticket. If you didn’t get enough return on your vote in 2016, maybe it was time for a new a person at the top. You need a bigger majority or stronger executive orders.
    That's pretty lame. Do you seriously think your guy - even dropped in as president elect without having to actually win the nom and the election itself - could have accomplished more against the conditions extant than Trump did?

    Put down the pipe
     

    Twangbanger

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    I wanted the guy who proved he can deliver to be on the ticket. If you didn’t get enough return on your vote in 2016, maybe it was time for a new a person at the top. You need a bigger majority or stronger executive orders.
    The guy I voted for in 2016:

    * Put 150+ judges on the Federal Bench vetted by the Federalist society (incl. 3 on SCOTUS)
    * Delivered broad-based tax cuts for all Americans
    * Fathered multiple midEast peace deals
    * Presided over the lowest minority unemployment rate in recorded history
    * Partnered with Mexico in bilateral agreements which crushed the numbers of migrants coming across the southern border vs. Obama
    * Demonstrated to the world that measured used of tariffs against China _can_ be made without "destroying the economy."

    The guy you wanted on the ticket has *One* (1) accomplishment remembered by large numbers of people outside his home state: picking a stupid fight with a private company whose products large numbers of Americans (unfortunately) love almost as much as booze and sex.

    That's what he's remembered for.
     

    Tombs

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    The guy I voted for in 2016:

    * Put 150+ judges on the Federal Bench vetted by the Federalist society (incl. 3 on SCOTUS)
    * Delivered broad-based tax cuts for all Americans
    * Fathered multiple midEast peace deals
    * Presided over the lowest minority unemployment rate in recorded history
    * Partnered with Mexico in bilateral agreements which crushed the numbers of migrants coming across the southern border vs. Obama
    * Demonstrated to the world that measured used of tariffs against China _can_ be made without "destroying the economy."

    The guy you wanted on the ticket has *One* (1) accomplishment remembered by large numbers of people outside his home state: picking a stupid fight with a private company whose products large numbers of Americans (unfortunately) love almost as much as booze and sex.

    That's what he's remembered for.

    Not to mention what he did for insulin prices, or had biden not repealed it, the upfront billing information requirement for hospitals.

    And the checks that were a life saver during covid.
     

    HKFaninCarmel

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    That's pretty lame. Do you seriously think your guy - even dropped in as president elect without having to actually win the nom and the election itself - could have accomplished more against the conditions extant than Trump did?

    Put down the pipe
    He has advanced a thorough platter of the conservative agenda and won with significant margin.

    Trump had a good economy and let Mitch stack the courts. I’m still trying to understand if Republicans deliver or not based on these posts.
     
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    KG1

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    He has advanced a thorough platter of the conservative agenda and won with significant margin.

    Trump had a good economy and let Mitch stack the courts. I’m still trying to understand if Republicans deliver or based on these posts.
    Pffft. Have you heard of a guy by the name of Mike DeWine?
     

    HKFaninCarmel

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    Pffft. Have you heard of a guy by the name of Mike DeWine?
    Surely. Not my cup of tea, but doing something right. Carried 388k more votes than Vance on the same ballot. Not as solid on guns as I would like. Some questionable vetoes. Irrelevant to this discussion.

    Anyway, I know the curmudgeons and MAGA faithful love to bash Republicans and follow their leader, but this doesn't win more votes. It's a reminder that he is about his own ego, not delivering for the people. I want him to win because Dems are awful, but this is Trump First.


     

    KG1

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    Surely. Not my cup of tea, but doing something right. Carried 388k more votes than Vance on the same ballot. Not as solid on guns as I would like. Some questionable vetoes. Irrelevant to this discussion.

    Anyway, I know the curmudgeons and MAGA faithful love to bash Republicans and follow their leader, but this doesn't win more votes. It's a reminder that he is about his own ego, not delivering for the people. I want him to win because Dems are awful, but this is Trump First.



    My point is DeSantis is nothing special when compared to DeWine.
     
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    HKFaninCarmel

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    My point is DeSantis is nothing special when compared to DeWine.
    Both states have moved from purple states to Lean R states. Competent state organizations and leadership can do that. I’ll take winning where I can get it. DeSantis has been more proactive and more conservative, but I’ll take winning where I can get it.

    Arizona is a case study in the opposite. The state leadership in Arizona has driven a winnable state into the ditch.
     

    Ingomike

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    Twangbanger

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    Surely. Not my cup of tea, but doing something right. Carried 388k more votes than Vance on the same ballot. Not as solid on guns as I would like. Some questionable vetoes. Irrelevant to this discussion.

    Anyway, I know the curmudgeons and MAGA faithful love to bash Republicans and follow their leader, but this doesn't win more votes. It's a reminder that he is about his own ego, not delivering for the people. I want him to win because Dems are awful, but this is Trump First.



    So...if I get this straight...you think the Media would allow Desantis to do better among "All Voters"...than he did among "Republicans?"

    You seem to be ascribing to DeSantis some level of "general appeal" which is not in evidence.
     

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