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What would you have done?
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There is a member here that was actually charged for that exact thing. Dog charged, he fired warning shot (into the ground?) and when the cops showed up HE is the one that got in trouble, not the dog/owner.
We had a member here that was prosecuted for firing a warning shot at a dog that was coming at him. The prosecutor got his posts from here to review in the case, IIRC. Then he hung out here for quite a long time.
ETA cm kind of beat me with that.
flint stonez
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Wow that’s horrible. Using this site against a member.
GuyRelford
Master
Just a thought: I have now represented five different clients who were charged with a felony (Criminal Recklessness with a Deadly Weapon) after they shot (or shot at) an aggressive dog in a residential area. Police and prosecutors took the position that the shot endangered others nearby - and/or in nearby homes. Not one of these folks was convicted, but they were all arrested and had to hire a lawyer.
That's one reason why the folks here suggesting a "less lethal" option (e.g., OC spray or a striking weapon) are giving excellent advice. My wife and I bicycle and walk quite often- and I always carry a collapsible baton and OC spray in addition to my EDC firearm.
Guy
That's one reason why the folks here suggesting a "less lethal" option (e.g., OC spray or a striking weapon) are giving excellent advice. My wife and I bicycle and walk quite often- and I always carry a collapsible baton and OC spray in addition to my EDC firearm.
Guy
You've never really been bitten by a dog have you?
Between you and I. If a dog weighs more than 40lbs by my half second appraisal it gets lead.
I lived far in the boonies and have had to dispatch anywhere from 1 to 10-15 dogs in a wild pack several times a year for about 6 years. Note that I didn't start out dropping them, but after the first five or six the shelter said they wouldn't take anymore in so many words. When all this happened I lived in the boonies about a mile off from a long stretch of highway scumbags liked to drop animals from. It is also worth mentioning that I had a couple dozen chickens and sold eggs so I had need of ridding myself of them. There was at least one instance of three attacking a new calf and another of one nearly killing a few day old colt. I know it's morbid, but the long and short of dropping your animals in the country doesn't end in fido living peacefully on a farm, it ends in a car accident or by people like me with livestock to protect.
I say all that to say this, even one smallish dog can be deadly and they hurt on the way there. When you're grounded by something you didn't think could take you down your brain does funny things. I could describe in great detail, but it probably isn't proper in polite company. I also have field data for many calibers and sizes of dog, but that's again another thread for someday.
If you feel you can stop dogs with pepper spray, do it. I personally don't like anything but lead and likely would have shot in your circumstance. Kudos for keeping your head. Ymmv of course.
Yes I have. If you are going to fight a dog accept that you will be bitten. interesting that you went from that to a pack of dogs. I wouldn’t want to fight two much less a large pack. My grandma had 2 GSDs that knew how to fight together, one would make all kinds of noise while the quiet one would circle until he could hit you from behind. I don’t know about the freakishly large dogs, but the mechanics should be the same. And don’t take any of this as an indication that I would look for a conflict I could avoid.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply you didn't have any intelligence about you. Text makes it difficult to impart tone and inflection.
Most people think they really could fight a medium size dog and win. I did say one to a whole pack though. Even that one dog had done enough damage that I don't take chances anymore. Yes, I beat it to death, but I'm getting too old to take that kind of risk ever again. I also don't consider myself the "winner" of that fight in any regard other than I got to limp away.
When I'm out walking, on a public multi-use trail, I always have pepper spray, in addition to my EDC. I've had the spray out and ready a time or two, but I've never had to use it.
I've always figured that I'd rather not shoot any dog until it actually had ahold of me, if for no other reason than not to have to further justify the shoot. But, as I say that, I realize all rational thought just might fly out the window if a big enough or scary enough dog was coming at me. It's possible I might run screaming. I really can't say for sure.
I've always figured that I'd rather not shoot any dog until it actually had ahold of me, if for no other reason than not to have to further justify the shoot. But, as I say that, I realize all rational thought just might fly out the window if a big enough or scary enough dog was coming at me. It's possible I might run screaming. I really can't say for sure.
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flint stonez
Plinker
I am really enjoying reading all the responses. I appreciate both the physical and lawful advice.
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Far be it for me to quibble with a font of wisdom and expertise on this issue such as yourself.
However, the OP clarified one (1) extremely important point that I latched on to, "He has children."
I myself do not have children, but if I did I don't believe that I would choose a less than lethal response to what could likely be a lethal attack on one of my kids, or even a neighbors child. I don't think I could live with the thought I pepper sprayed Old Yeller' two (2) weeks ago and he survived to maul my kid to death last week.
Given the stakes at hand I do know that I would be on the phone to animal control within minutes, and I would be following up every single day until the matter was resolved to my satisfaction. If it wasn't then I would certainly consult with one such as yourself to explore other options.
I do believe that each interaction with a dog must be taken in totality. Is the dog defending its home or its master? Is that dog a generally good dog that happens to snap at someone that is annoying it. Or is it Cujo in a fence that can be thwarted?
Pepper spray is a good start. Other options may be required for a more permanent solution, but hopefully avoided.
Regards,
Doug
I've rented a 40 acre pasture in the country up north to a man who raises beef cattle for several years.
Through the years there's been local dogs harass and chase his cattle from time to time, which can potentially get expensive.
I've reminded him several times through the years that if he sees the need to put a dog down that's bothering his cattle to feel free to and I'll stand behind him.
And remember one important thing: SSS.
See... this is what I don't get. (other than the fact that the government doesn't like the public to be armed)
An aggressive dog attacking a person can cause the same fear of death, and in fact can cause the same actual death, as can a violent criminal. I'm sure it all boils down to the government being anti-2A.
They want us harmless, and defenseless against every threat... so we are the same... against them.
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