There’s only one 9mm I do want and that is another of Master Brownings designs, the hi-power. But I still need a commander sized 1911. Compacts, officers and full sizes but never a commander length.
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An Overdue Discussion on .45 Auto
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Don't know what your opinion is of 4506s, but I believe they are considered plenty stout enough to run 45 super and the internal parts swaps are main spring and slide stop mostly. I've also heard of Kimber and even Delta Elite conversions but that's more of a song and dance and the Delta Elite especially had some metallurgical problems handling 10mm in the early versions
It's been a while since I looked into it, but most people running 4506s seemed happy with the results. At that time quite a few clean 4506s seemed available on Walletbreaker for $5-700. I eventually looked it off because it was kind of just a rabbit hole for me
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Waiting for the micro compact version
1911 was my first firearm ever, still the most comfortable pistol to carry by far.
I had a 5" S&W 1911 then upgraded to a 4.25 S&W 1911sc (scandium alloy). I've shot alot of 9's and maybe it's just me, maybe I need to shoot the same gun, weight, dimensions but I can't tell a recoil difference between the 45acp and 9mm.
I had a 5" S&W 1911 then upgraded to a 4.25 S&W 1911sc (scandium alloy). I've shot alot of 9's and maybe it's just me, maybe I need to shoot the same gun, weight, dimensions but I can't tell a recoil difference between the 45acp and 9mm.
profjeremy
Sharpshooter
I used to be one of those who didn't really see the point in .45ACP... until I went down the suppression rabbit hole.
While trying to find the best subsonic options, once I considered the difference between a 230gn, 1000fps (+P) .45 versus a 147gn, 1000fps 9mm, I saw the light! Even 300BLK is usually 220gn at roughly the same velocity, plus you get a 50% bigger hole with .45ACP!
Though I'm not really a "1911 guy", I do have one that I enjoy shooting. There are also some really cool SMGs in .45ACP and I've always been a sucker for SMGs (I blame movies and video games)! My B&T APC45 Pro is my latest obsession.
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No secret here.
Workable cartridge.
Government backed.
Marketing infused.
Competitive round.
Added to a generation who was brought up with 9mm as status quo, and now you have a winner.
If a downsize was to happen it Still should have been the 38 Super.
I could get behind that idea based on the ballistic potential, were it not for the semi-rimmed nature of the cartridge. Rimmed cases...even little rims...have no place in a magazine-fed semi-auto. There's just too much potential there for rimlock and feed issues, especially when you move into double-stack magazines. The .38 super also had serious accuracy issues until they figured out that they needed to cut the chambers to stop headspacing on the rim and bottom out on the case mouth instead. Small issues that can be worked around, but issues nonetheless.
9mm, in contrast, is rimless and even slightly tapered, which lends itself to feed reliability across a wide variety of platforms. Its shorter case allows for shallower magazines and thus a shorter length of pull, since most semi-auto designs contain the magazine in the grip. It lacks the case capacity of .38 Super, but isn't that far behind, and has a good reputation for performance of its own, without the engineering challenges presented by the super.
Not really. I'm fine with 9mm, especially now that it's ubiquitous, inexpensive, and enjoys wide platform support. I was just pointing out why I believe that .38 Super would have been an inferior choice. Maybe it would have had a better chance at success had it borrowed some design elements from one of those.
Getting back to the topic of the thread, I believe that .45 ACP was ahead of it's time somewhat, and enjoys continued success today in part because it's rimless.
Anyway to return to the original premise.
45 is still a solid choice, It is still the second most popular center fire pistol cartridge.
And arguably the best choice for suppressor use.
And its in a lot more things then 1911s, new offerings are often chambered in it. Along with some old standbys.
45 is still a solid choice, It is still the second most popular center fire pistol cartridge.
And arguably the best choice for suppressor use.
And its in a lot more things then 1911s, new offerings are often chambered in it. Along with some old standbys.
Amen
I like a 13rd+ 45acp better.Anyway to return to the original premise.
45 is still a solid choice, It is still the second most popular center fire pistol cartridge.
And arguably the best choice for suppressor use.
And its in a lot more things then 1911s, new offerings are often chambered in it. Along with some old standbys.
Springfield
Glock
FN
Taurus
All make them. Probably several more I've failed to mention.
profjeremy
Sharpshooter
Bring it down to 12rd+ and throw the H&K USP45 in there... that's a sweet shooter!
9mm is great in the kitchen and in bed.
Well I suppose it depends on how efficiency is defined. Powder burned per weight thrown id say you're right.
I made that statement more from a cartridge design perspective and a size and weight perspective.
The adapters in the photo were from some no name shop on eBay. They were kinda mediocre. Adapters I'm buying are from Chaszel. Reviews ive seen are really impressive.
All this talk about HKs in here I suppose I should add this story.
At one time my whole family carried 45s. I had that GI Springfield 1911, brother had a Llama mini max 45, dad had an HK USP 45.
So I set out one day to shoot all three for the fun of it. Don't remember what ammo was chosen. I used a rest and shot from the prone at 25 yards. Results really surprised me. Wish I had a pic to prove it but for those willing to believe me..
LLama mini max 45 -- 6.5" 3 shot group
Springfield GI 1911 -- 2.5" 3 shot group
HK USP 45 -- 1.5" 3 shot group
Granted it was only 3 shot groups but I was excited with the results.
And I suppose while we are on the subject of HK 45s.... I got to spend a magical weekend with this Mk 23. Shot very well, sort of a bucket list for me.
Unsurprisingly I wasn't able to make it shoot the legendary "1 hole at 50 meters". I don't know who started that claim but I don't think its possible.
At one time my whole family carried 45s. I had that GI Springfield 1911, brother had a Llama mini max 45, dad had an HK USP 45.
So I set out one day to shoot all three for the fun of it. Don't remember what ammo was chosen. I used a rest and shot from the prone at 25 yards. Results really surprised me. Wish I had a pic to prove it but for those willing to believe me..
LLama mini max 45 -- 6.5" 3 shot group
Springfield GI 1911 -- 2.5" 3 shot group
HK USP 45 -- 1.5" 3 shot group
Granted it was only 3 shot groups but I was excited with the results.
And I suppose while we are on the subject of HK 45s.... I got to spend a magical weekend with this Mk 23. Shot very well, sort of a bucket list for me.
Unsurprisingly I wasn't able to make it shoot the legendary "1 hole at 50 meters". I don't know who started that claim but I don't think its possible.
I was a revolver guy since that was my USAF sidearm but while stationed in Montana I obtained a Mil Spec Springfield that had the higher sights and that was a shooter. When I moved back here I became a reserve officer. They allowed 45’s but the training SGT asked that I not carry a 1911. Not so much for me but he didn’t want a few if the younger ones to follow LOL
So I picked up an Sig 220 in 45 and that thing was great. Carried well shot like a laser just a perfect duty gun and why I love Sig 220 series to this day.
I picked up a S&W 625 since I was still a revolver guy and like the 45 by now and did well at IDPA in the late 1990’s until the 5” Wheelguns wernt allowed. Picked up a few 9mm since I changed agencies since that was what we used.
Got an early M&P 45 when they came out and despite the hate that early M&P shot as good as my Sig and the trigger was great. Then Missing my Springfield I picked up a Colt Competition and really like it accurate and was never not worked.
Picked up a second M&P 45 when the 2.0 came out then a compact 2.0 M&P 45 full 10 rd grip and 4” barrel I refer as my Polymer commander
Got a Springfield Operator when they introduced the new ones a couple years ago
And my retirement job is a School
protection officer so I run HK45 LEM
So I almost have as many 45’s as I do Wheelguns LOL
As far as that whole 9 vs 45 sure it’s a wash and shot placement is the real deal but just watching the power of bowling pins go off the table faster than the same 9mm hit you can’t deny it does hit harder.
Maybe not flying 10 feet back and on fire harder but with the same solid hits there’s a difference on steel and pins
Everyone should have at least one good 45!
So I picked up an Sig 220 in 45 and that thing was great. Carried well shot like a laser just a perfect duty gun and why I love Sig 220 series to this day.
I picked up a S&W 625 since I was still a revolver guy and like the 45 by now and did well at IDPA in the late 1990’s until the 5” Wheelguns wernt allowed. Picked up a few 9mm since I changed agencies since that was what we used.
Got an early M&P 45 when they came out and despite the hate that early M&P shot as good as my Sig and the trigger was great. Then Missing my Springfield I picked up a Colt Competition and really like it accurate and was never not worked.
Picked up a second M&P 45 when the 2.0 came out then a compact 2.0 M&P 45 full 10 rd grip and 4” barrel I refer as my Polymer commander
Got a Springfield Operator when they introduced the new ones a couple years ago
And my retirement job is a School
protection officer so I run HK45 LEM
So I almost have as many 45’s as I do Wheelguns LOL
As far as that whole 9 vs 45 sure it’s a wash and shot placement is the real deal but just watching the power of bowling pins go off the table faster than the same 9mm hit you can’t deny it does hit harder.
Maybe not flying 10 feet back and on fire harder but with the same solid hits there’s a difference on steel and pins
Everyone should have at least one good 45!
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