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  • chipbennett

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    Great to hear that there are teachers armed in Indiana!

    The hard part is now as you mentioned. How to get the word out so the nut jobs are deterred and at the same time not isolate to the individual teacher?
    It feels like beating a dead horse, but bears repeating: if you home school, all teachers can be armed at all times.
     

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    I am not sure if it would always be a deterrent.
    Maybe some might be deterred, or other cases maybe not. Uniformed armed police are shot at, even ambushed, by criminals.

    Nut cases are still going to be nut cases. I am not against arming school staff or the general public. Teachers might be able to stop or limit the damage in a particular situation. Yet, one or more people at school could be shot before an armed teacher gets to the specific location and is able to stop the attacker. The media made a big deal about the police arriving in only 7 minutes. A lot more could have been shot and/or killed in that 7 minutes.
    Yeah... no. This doesn't align with the psychological profiles of either common criminals or spree shooters.

    When uniformed armed police are targeted by criminals, it is either because, in their tunnel vision while committing a crime, they see the armed security/LEO as their main threat, or else their intent is to kill LEO as an assassination. (Prison surveys also indicate that such common criminals fear armed citizens more than they fear armed LEO.)

    And time after time, there is clear evidence that spree shooters pick targets of opportunity, avoiding places where they are likely to faced armed-citizen resistance and favoring places that are designated GFZs. The overall statistics bear that out as well. I believe John Lott's current number is 93% of spree shootings taking place in GFZs.
     

    bwframe

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    Preaching to the choir here but this is why we stay armed and prepared. (Too bad some legally can’t.)

    That's great for you and me, but what about our kids and grandkids?

    The FBI tells us to see something, say something. When we do, they too often do nothing with the obvious information.

    It's sad that the directive from the FBI is only feel good talk. When was the last time we heard of the FBI thwarting a local terrorist? Is that not their job?

    Like teachers being armed and the advertising of it, how many mentally warped "bullied":rolleyes: suicidal mass murderers would think twice before acting, if they only knew that they might be captured and incarcerated by law enforcement?


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    That's great for you and me, but what about our kids and grandkids?

    The FBI tells us to see something, say something. When we do, they too often do nothing with the obvious information.

    It's sad that the directive from the FBI is only feel good talk. When was the last time we heard of the FBI thwarting a local terrorist? Is that not their job?

    Like teachers being armed and the advertising of it, how many mentally warped "bullied":rolleyes: suicidal mass murderers would think twice before acting, if they only knew that they might be captured and incarcerated by law enforcement?


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    I agree in principle, but the problem is, "talking" about doing something isn't a crime. If it were, how many people here on INGO would be targeted for arrest with some of the things that are said here? Should they be watched like a hawk (these weirdos broadcasting their plans or desires)? Absolutely. Arrest them before doing something? Not sure we want that. That sword would cut both ways.
     

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    That's great for you and me, but what about our kids and grandkids?

    The FBI tells us to see something, say something. When we do, they too often do nothing with the obvious information.

    It's sad that the directive from the FBI is only feel good talk. When was the last time we heard of the FBI thwarting a local terrorist? Is that not their job?

    Like teachers being armed and the advertising of it, how many mentally warped "bullied":rolleyes: suicidal mass murderers would think twice before acting, if they only knew that they might be captured and incarcerated by law enforcement?


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    Unfortunately we live in a paradigm where even a great many pro-gun republicans believe guns in school are bad and must be “gun free zones”.

    Unless and until that changes, our kids and our teacher friends are in peril.
     

    Ark

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    Trans-terrorist. It’s becoming clear when these crazy people tell they want to do these acts of evil, we might ought to take them serious.


    This kind of cartoonish violent fantasizing is not uncommon among trans activists, and they never face consequences.

    My bro science theory is that it's roid rage but for hormones. The body of literature shows that hormone chemistry is VERY deterministic of human behavior, it's very evident that kooky artificial hormone cocktails yield kooky behavior.
     

    IndyGal65

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    As predictable as the sunrise.

    No matter how much you hate the main stream media, you don’t hate it enough.


    I was bullied in school by a couple of boys who would sit behind me on the bus. I was either in JH or high school, and they were a couple years older than me. They would flick the back of my head, pull on my scarf in the winter, and say stupid sh*t that I don't even remember anymore. It never dawned on me to take out my frustration on other kids, let alone murder someone. I'm sick (as we all are) of the excuses some will muster up in order to defend the defenseless.

    On a brighter note, the one kid used to walk by my house all the time. He crossed paths with my older brother (almost 6' 5") and when my brother acknowledged him, the kid told him to **** off. My brother decked the little bastard, who of course ran home and called the cops. Thankfully, nothing happened to my brother, and those creeps never bothered me again.
     

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    I was bullied in school by a couple of boys who would sit behind me on the bus. I was either in JH or high school, and they were a couple years older than me. They would flick the back of my head, pull on my scarf in the winter, and say stupid sh*t that I don't even remember anymore. It never dawned on me to take out my frustration on other kids, let alone murder someone. I'm sick (as we all are) of the excuses some will muster up in order to defend the defenseless.

    On a brighter note, the one kid used to walk by my house all the time. He crossed paths with my older brother (almost 6' 5") and when my brother acknowledged him, the kid told him to **** off. My brother decked the little bastard, who of course ran home and called the cops. Thankfully, nothing happened to my brother, and those creeps never bothered me again.
    I was a very bitter, angry, disaffected young man in high school. I did some petty theft and vandalism I'm not proud of, built IEDs for fun, drove very recklessly, and was general a bag of s***.

    Murdering my classmates was never remotely on the table. This was long after Columbine, the concept wasn't foreign, but it was simply not in the realm of possibility to me. What did Becky the freshman I've never spoken to do to me?

    I just don't understand the urge to kill random people. I understand killing a whole lot of people, without approving, just not "oh well whoever showed up to ninth grade math class today". It's so very strange and sad.
     

    Cameramonkey

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    I was a very bitter, angry, disaffected young man in high school. I did some petty theft and vandalism I'm not proud of, built IEDs for fun, drove very recklessly, and was general a bag of s***.

    Murdering my classmates was never remotely on the table. This was long after Columbine, the concept wasn't foreign, but it was simply not in the realm of possibility to me. What did Becky the freshman I've never spoken to do to me?

    I just don't understand the urge to kill random people. I understand killing a whole lot of people, without approving, just not "oh well whoever showed up to ninth grade math class today". It's so very strange and sad.
    To quote the late, great Dr. William Aprill "They are not you."
     

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    Not to take away from anyone's bad experience, but a fair amount of teenage kids are mean. They just are. Always have been.

    The interaction from both sides of mean kids is a part of growing up into adulthood. It's quite messy and emotional sometimes. It's not homicidal though, that is something else altogether.

    There is no justification for murder. Even mean kids do not warrant this.


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