Trump 2024 — The second term

[Ziggidy]

People should be more fearful of inaction or capitulation than they are of taking action to stave off something of that magnitude.

I would guess that you have been, like many of us, trying to sound the alarm on deaf ears. The enemy knows how to stimulate our senses, keep us busy and in our comfort zone. Create fear at just the thought of change. Make people happy and keep them alarmed at what would happen if they made changes; changes that would take that happiness away. One just needs to look at the inner cites to see their plan in action.

I’m preaching to the choir.

 

[KLB]

People can easily avoid the "danger" of Tik Tok. All they have to do is not install/use it.

 

[Tombs]

People can easily avoid the "danger" of Tik Tok. All they have to do is not install/use it.

Not really, it's a social contagion, and a weapon of the CCCP to use against the American public.

If you uninstall it, millions of kids are still going to be getting propagandized by the CCCP through it.

The first amendment does not extend to other nations trying to brainwash our people.

 

[Ingomike]

Husbands and fathers serve in combat zones and roles, Dad served 3 tours in SE Asia. In that sense, proper service to country comes before family. Ditto police and fire.

Anyhow, regardless of the order, I'm still fourth, not first as you implied.


Then back to my original question, how is maintaining ChiComm ownership of TikTok putting America first?


Same as above, ChiComm ownership of tikTok is not putting America first, but Trump first, for some reason. My guess is $$$


And normally would make most of INGO go hmmm.... if not so invested in the cult of Trump's personality.

Standard INGO answer for anyone but Trump... follow the money...

HR7521 - The TikTok Ban Law (as written) is NOT About Banning TikTok, It's About Information Control - pdf Included - The Last Refuge

I swear by all that I know to be righteous and accurate, the combined willpower of the UniParty in Washington DC is not targeting TikTok from the perspective of concern over data collection. Instead, the DC system -which is to say the USIC- is using the auspices of TikTok to expand the reach of...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[KLB]

Not really, it's a social contagion, and a weapon of the CCCP to use against the American public.

If you uninstall it, millions of kids are still going to be getting propagandized by the CCCP through it.

The first amendment does not extend to other nations trying to brainwash our people.

Kids spend a lot more time on Instagram. They are not wanting to stop Tik Tok because it is brainwashing kids. They say it is because the app can steal info from phones. It can't do that if you do not use it.

The first Amendment covers our people having the right to watch that nonsense and be "brainwashed" if they so desire.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Duplicitous, you say. Yer gonna have to walk me through that one.

Had the shoe been on the other foot and Biden uttered "we need to find 17,000" votes to a Democrat SoS... would that have been hunkie-dorie with the INGO majority? Or would it be deemed nefarious?

I think we know the answer... hence, duplicity.

Does the proposed legislation specify "who" Tik Tok would have to be sold to? Is there a possibility it would have to be sold to a US entity...potentially Meta? Does it leave the door open to making Meta bigger?

Lacking further information, I could perfectly well imagine how someone could be against this legislation, for reasons which aren't purely personal.

You have to assess the "business puzzle pieces" how they actually are, not how you'd like them to be.

If I wanted to kill a potential enemy 5 years ago...but the courts wouldn't allow it...and now the courts will allow that enemy's assets to be acquired by another "demonstrated" enemy, making that enemy larger and more powerful right before an election?

I think I might agree with Trump on this one. Selling an enemy to another enemy =/= killing that enemy. The two are not the same currency. And Trump is not required by any concept of "consistency" to support both equally.

You have to be willing to at least entertain the possibility that a person experienced in business deals, might interpret this situation more intelligently than you.

If this were all about Trump and only Trump, i.e. Trump first, then sure.

But I thought it wasn't... that it was about the ChiComms having detailed personal info and "behavioral models" for 10's of millions of Americans... you know, America first as in the best interest of America and Americans.

So, you prove my point... it's Trump first over America first.

(...and that National Review is just Never-Trump and yanking your chain...but I'll leave that one go for now).

Ummm... the prominent Never-Trumpers left NR long ago (David French and Kevin Williamson come to mind). There are writers both critical of Trump and cheer-leaders of Trump on NR and they often address each other to debate points of opinion... you know, both sides of the coin so readers can decide.

Again, I've never found NR to lie on matters of fact. Opinions, they vary... I'm good with that... actually prefer it to listening to echoes in a chamber.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

HR7521 - The TikTok Ban Law (as written) is NOT About Banning TikTok, It's About Information Control - pdf Included - The Last Refuge

I swear by all that I know to be righteous and accurate, the combined willpower of the UniParty in Washington DC is not targeting TikTok from the perspective of concern over data collection. Instead, the DC system -which is to say the USIC- is using the auspices of TikTok to expand the reach of...

theconservativetreehouse.com

Mike, read for yourself in the link to the bill in your article... Definition #1 (which comes before #2 cited in the article) Controlled by a foreign adversary...

 

[SheepDog4Life]

So, 30 Billion reasons for Trump to change his mind on TikTok.

$30B is Jeff Yaas' stake in ByteDance which owns of TikTok. Trump flip-flopped shortly after meeting Yaas AND PRAISING HIM at, gasp, a Club for Growth retreat.

Trump met with a billionaire GOP donor with a big stake in TikTok just days before he publicly tried to save the app

During his time in the White House, Trump tried to ban the app but lost in the courts. Now, he's changed his mind on the matter.

www.businessinsider.com

He made his change of heart on TikTok public after meeting with Jeff Yass, a Republican megadonor, in February. Yass' company, Susquehanna International Group, has a 15% stake in ByteDance, which is TikTok's parent company. According to Politico, Trump praised the investor at a Club for Growth retreat at The Breakers resort in Palm Beach, Florida.

And, now CfG is lobbying against the TikTok divestiture bill... bigly.

Club for Growth, to which Yass has donated more than $60 million since 2010, has tapped Kellyanne Conway, a former advisor to Trump, to advocate against the TikTok bill, Politico reported on Saturday.

 

[KG1]

So, 30 Billion reasons for Trump to change his mind on TikTok.

$30B is Jeff Yaas' stake in ByteDance which owns of TikTok. Trump flip-flopped shortly after meeting Yaas AND PRAISING HIM at, gasp, a Club for Growth retreat.

Trump met with a billionaire GOP donor with a big stake in TikTok just days before he publicly tried to save the app

During his time in the White House, Trump tried to ban the app but lost in the courts. Now, he's changed his mind on the matter.

www.businessinsider.com

And, now CfG is lobbying against the TikTok divestiture bill... bigly.

There you go again. @Ingomike "I dont know but I am confident that that there is some tactical reason we don’t know and we likely will never know. But you ALWAYS choose the worst interpretation when it involves Trump."

There is a flipside to someone always choosing negative interpretations which is the other side flipping it seems to always choose positive interpretations to run cover, dismiss and never question why.

Can you imagine what the INGO GP watercooler talk would be if the implications of what you posted were about DeSantis and a newly rekindled love affair with CfG.

I guess the argument now is that it's too late to bring any negativity to light. Trump will be the nominee and we gotta run with what we have in the general.

Know what time it is. Stop going hmmm... and get with the positive.

 

[KG1]

I'm seeing more and more discussion in legal circles about the Molly Hemmingway "Fruit of the poisonous tree" article in the federalist that @Ingomike posted recently involving the illegally recorded Ga. phone call that appears to be the triggering centerpiece of the indictment which could have a serious impact on DA Fani Willis's case if it is ruled inadmissible by ill-gotten means.

 

[KG1]

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Then back to my original question, how is maintaining ChiComm ownership of TikTok putting America first?

Standard INGO answer for anyone but Trump... follow the money...

Anyone who supports the PRC having this kind of control over things such as TikTok is undeniably NOT AMERICA FIRST.
Claiming that anyone pro TikTok is the standard bearer for America First means you've completely lost your compass and priorities. Follow the money... Vivek has been all over the ideological map in his six years as a Republican and has clearly been bought and paid for on this position. He's about the buck and Trump's position moved right with it.

When Trump flip-flops, people dance with him because it is about the man, not the policy, and that is what a chunk of the party can't stand. Mike and others would fall in love with Nikki Haley if he put her on the ticket, because TRUMP!

 

[KLB]

Anyone who supports the PRC having this kind of control over things such as TikTok is undeniably NOT AMERICA FIRST.
Claiming that anyone pro TikTok is the standard bearer for America First means you've completely lost your compass and priorities. Follow the money... Vivek has been all over the ideological map in his six years as a Republican and has clearly been bought and paid for on this position. He's about the buck and Trump's position moved right with it.

When Trump flip-flops, people dance with him because it is about the man, not the policy, and that is what a chunk of the party can't stand. Mike and others would fall in love with Nikki Haley if he put her on the ticket, because TRUMP!

Being against the government banning something does not equate to being pro

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Being against the government banning something does not equate to being pro

I'm talking about PRC control: forcing the sale and taking away the link to a hostile foreign adversary.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

According to Rand Paul...

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

ByteDance is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. With Chinese ownership, the propaganda can be/ is driven by the CCP. Algorithm at the discretion of the CCP. The legislation is designed to take control of the app away from the CCP. People who are AMERICA FIRST understand that the CCP controlling this is bad for our national security. People who are CCP First are making excuses and pretending this is about something different. No respectable US company allows TikTok on company devices because they know where the data goes. They know the incredible cybersecurity threat.

Follow the money...

 

[Destro]

I guess we should also speak more correctly. It is not an outright "ban", people will still be free to use TikTok so as long as the Chinese government doesn't have direct access to the data and information. The "free speech" arguments are misplaced. This is about importing software.

 

[Destro]

According to Rand Paul...

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Rand Paul backed by GOP donor with $33B TikTok stake

 

[Ingomike]

There you go again. @Ingomike "I dont know but I am confident that that there is some tactical reason we don’t know and we likely will never know. But you ALWAYS choose the worst interpretation when it involves Trump."

There is a flipside to someone always choosing negative interpretations which is the other side flipping it seems to always choose positive interpretations to run cover, dismiss and never question why.

Can you imagine what the INGO GP watercooler talk would be if the implications of what you posted were about DeSantis and a newly rekindled love affair with CfG.

I guess the argument now is that it's too late to bring any negativity to light. Trump will be the nominee and we gotta run with what we have in the general.

Know what time it is. Stop going hmmm... and get with the positive.

I believe:

That another four years of what we have now will forever end the possibility of being a constitutional based country.

There is only one guy that ever stood up to the left, there are not any other choices, this is the pony we must ride.

So folks can nit pick all they want, I’m sure that is very helpful to our enemies…

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Rand Paul backed by GOP donor with $33B TikTok stake

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So is Trump.