Haley 2024?

[DoggyDaddy]

Pretty early in the process to make that complaint. If he’s as obvious as you guys make him out to be, you should have no problems. After Super Tuesday, if she’s in and barely getting votes, this appears more valid.

She still has an argument-

 

[Onebad06vtx]

Pretty early in the process to make that complaint. If he’s as obvious as you guys make him out to be, you should have no problems. After Super Tuesday, if she’s in and barely getting votes, this appears more valid.

She still has an argument-

These numbers mean nothing when they will cheat to win!
You watch and see what happens at 3 in the morning!

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

These numbers mean nothing when they will cheat to win!
You watch and see what happens at 3 in the morning!

 

[jamil]

How much of her cash is from Dem supporters?

Did you say the same thing about MAGA candidates bankrolled by Chuck Schumer in R primaries because the left knew they couldn’t win?

Haley is a Republican, one that was appointed by Trump.

The orange kool-aid is strong around here. Don’t let your love of Trump change your sense of reality. Her positions are generally aligned with GOP.

Nonsense. I’m not a Trump fanboi, and, while there’s overlap, she’s not for America first. She’s a neocon elitist. She’s like all the Republicans we complain about for making back room deals with establishment Democrats that hurt ordinary Americans.

That **** should not be allowed anywhere near the levers of power. And for thinking she would, perhaps blue delusion clouds your perspective. There certainly is some orange delusion going on deep in Trumperville. Blue being the opposite of orange on the color wheel, I think it’s fair to say there’s an opposite “blue” delusion. I call it magaphobia.

 

[Ingomike]

Nonsense. I’m not a Trump fanboi, and, while there’s overlap, she’s not for America first. She’s a neocon elitist. She’s like all the Republicans we complain about for making back room deals with establishment Democrats that hurt ordinary Americans.

That **** should not be allowed anywhere near the levers of power. And for thinking she would, perhaps blue delusion clouds your perspective. There certainly is some orange delusion going on deep in Trumperville. Blue being the opposite of orange on the color wheel, I think it’s fair to say there’s an opposite “blue” delusion. I call it magaphobia.

The opposite of “Make America Great Again” is to “NOT Make America Great Again”.

Folks need to figure out which side they are on. There are some that are struggling to decide...

 

[Ingomike]

Pretty early in the process to make that complaint. If he’s as obvious as you guys make him out to be, you should have no problems. After Super Tuesday, if she’s in and barely getting votes, this appears more valid.

She still has an argument-

So to all of you out there that are frequently complaining about republican voters that just pull the R lever without a care electing RINO’s look at the quoted post…

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

The opposite of “Make America Great Again” is to “NOT Make America Great Again”.

Folks need to figure out which side they are on. There are some that are struggling to decide...

The opposite of a candidate who needs donors to pay his legal bills is one that doesn't.
The idea that ONLY Trump will improve our current situation and ONLY Trump is "AMERICA FIRST" is absurd.

So to all of you out there that are frequently complaining about republican voters that just pull the R lever without a care electing RINO’s look at the quoted post…

I made two points-
1- That 2 states have voted and that it is still early. The Dems in 2020 had not yet consolidated behind Biden. Trump v Cruz v field was still very much in play in 2016. If she is way down going into Super Tuesday, at that point, the concern about Trump taking shots from within the party becomes a valid one. Right now, it is not. I'm sure someone will cherry pick a rebuttal poll, but her outperfoming him consistently is undeniable.

2- Haley or a generic R has a much better shot at beating Biden than Trump. Polls have pretty consistently shown this. She outperforms a polarizing candidate. While some can't resist the urge to lick/buy his shoes, not everyone loves Trump.

Here is an interesting bit the NYT times did.

Looking at a sample group that overwhelmingly breaks Trump, you see a few interesting things.



Clearly, this isn't a MAGA vs TDS/ORANGE HATERS/blue delusion bs argument. Trump has obvious faults and hurdles to winning and the reason that he LOST in 2020 and could lose against a historically unpopular candidate this time, is that he is seen by even potential voters as conceited/egotistical/self-righteous/narcissist/flamboyant/irritating/crazy.

The Trump folks campaign assault on Haley has been to paint his previous appointee as a Democrat, left-wing, neocon, etc.
Clearly, some have listened.

Some Republicans, like myself, would like to see our party be about a vision/direction and not about one man. Everything I've seen about "America First" means Trump first. If you love Trump or are in his entourage, you are branded America First, if you oppose Trump then you are not. Ideologies, views, records,etc are all meaningless about America First. Unless it is some sort of bizarre isolationist message to some.

It's not about being Anti-Trump. Nobody, especially policitians are above criticism. I would LOVE to see Trump hit the talking points and make this election about current issues and fixing them. I would LOVE to see Trump message the things he needs to do and be an effective leader. I just see a man who can't get out of a court room and stop shooting himself in the foot with his mouth. I see a base that is addicted to one man with a very different perception than a majority of the country and outside of Biden losing it, I struggle to see enough of the middle embrace his flaws enough to vote for him.

 

[Ingomike]

The opposite of a candidate who needs donors to pay his legal bills is one that doesn't.

They are not his legal bills, they are the bills of the supporters of America First. Lawfare levied against the leader of America first is an attack against America First supporters. I have no expectation that those that are not for America First would understand that…

 

[Ingomike]

Haley or a generic R has a much better shot at beating Biden than Trump.

Utopia always out polls an individual, even if that individual was Jesus Christ…

 

[Shadow01]

I'm having a difficult time seeing a path for her to win the GOP nomination - based on the already held primaries and the polling for future primaries, the path simply isn't there for her to win. The last SC polling I saw had her down 30+ points.

So, what is she doing? Just staying in it to sling mud at the eventual GOP nominee? Sure, that will help the GOP come November.

At some point, she needs to do what's best for the party. Staying in the race isn't doing it.

She is hoping for a legal determination that will exclude Trump from running and leave her as the only primary candidate still on the ballot.

 

[Shadow01]

The opposite of a candidate who needs donors to pay his legal bills is one that doesn't.
The idea that ONLY Trump will improve our current situation and ONLY Trump is "AMERICA FIRST" is absurd.


I made two points-
1- That 2 states have voted and that it is still early. The Dems in 2020 had not yet consolidated behind Biden. Trump v Cruz v field was still very much in play in 2016. If she is way down going into Super Tuesday, at that point, the concern about Trump taking shots from within the party becomes a valid one. Right now, it is not. I'm sure someone will cherry pick a rebuttal poll, but her outperfoming him consistently is undeniable.

2- Haley or a generic R has a much better shot at beating Biden than Trump. Polls have pretty consistently shown this. She outperforms a polarizing candidate. While some can't resist the urge to lick/buy his shoes, not everyone loves Trump.

Here is an interesting bit the NYT times did.

Looking at a sample group that overwhelmingly breaks Trump, you see a few interesting things.

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Clearly, this isn't a MAGA vs TDS/ORANGE HATERS/blue delusion bs argument. Trump has obvious faults and hurdles to winning and the reason that he LOST in 2020 and could lose against a historically unpopular candidate this time, is that he is seen by even potential voters as conceited/egotistical/self-righteous/narcissist/flamboyant/irritating/crazy.

The Trump folks campaign assault on Haley has been to paint his previous appointee as a Democrat, left-wing, neocon, etc.
Clearly, some have listened.

Some Republicans, like myself, would like to see our party be about a vision/direction and not about one man. Everything I've seen about "America First" means Trump first. If you love Trump or are in his entourage, you are branded America First, if you oppose Trump then you are not. Ideologies, views, records,etc are all meaningless about America First. Unless it is some sort of bizarre isolationist message to some.

It's not about being Anti-Trump. Nobody, especially policitians are above criticism. I would LOVE to see Trump hit the talking points and make this election about current issues and fixing them. I would LOVE to see Trump message the things he needs to do and be an effective leader. I just see a man who can't get out of a court room and stop shooting himself in the foot with his mouth. I see a base that is addicted to one man with a very different perception than a majority of the country and outside of Biden losing it, I struggle to see enough of the middle embrace his flaws enough to vote for him.

So they can embrace Biden’s flaws, but not Trump’s? They can embrace a man that’s not sure if he **** himself or not, but they can’t embrace a man that runs his mouth?

 

[indyblue]

I keep getting random texts from the Haley campaign about all her goings on, dont know how they got this number, and they're calling me Timothy... my name isn't Timothy

Yeah, I keep getting texts to somebody named Fran.

I am definitely not Fran.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

So they can embrace Biden’s flaws, but not Trump’s? They can embrace a man that’s not sure if he **** himself or not, but they can’t embrace a man that runs his mouth?

Do you think Biden would steamroll a D primary right now? How many Biden hats have you ever seen? The media and Team Biden will dismiss anything he does wrong because they are team players. But the two aren't the same. In my opinion, Biden's not being sure where he is right now is the only thing keeping Trump well-positioned in the polls. I am confident that the DNC folks are quietly polling Trump v Harris, Trump v Newsom, Trump v Shapiro, etc.

 

[foszoe]

They are not his legal bills, they are the bills of the supporters of America First. Lawfare levied against the leader of America first is an attack against America First supporters. I have no expectation that those that are not for America First would understand that…

When my mail contains a bill with another person's name on it, I don't typically pay it for them. Especially if they brag about how much money they have already.

 

[Ingomike]

When my mail contains a bill with another person's name on it, I don't typically pay it for them. Especially if they brag about how much money they have already.

So are you saying you are not America First?

 

[foszoe]

So are you saying you are not America First?

I don't live in the same dichotomy as you.

 

[Ingomike]

I don't live in the same dichotomy as you.

So no America First. Got it…

 

[foszoe]

So no America First. Got it…

More than happy to fit in your box!

It is rather dark in here though.

 

[Onebad06vtx]

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I wouldnt expect anything less from a biden supporter!

 

[foszoe]

I wouldnt expect anything less from a biden supporter!

I missed where he said he was a biden supporter. I thought I saw a post saying that he would be voting for the GOP candidate in the general election.

Am I mistaken?