Unsafe carry? What do you think

[Chewie]

If it was the eighties, maybe?

The reason we got away from those, is that they are impossible to be modern day safe. No way to not point the gun at yourself and who knows how many others? Every time you draw or holster.

No competitive shooting sport will let you on the line with that holster. I cannot imagine any firearm training class will let you on their line either, even the crazy ones

Many years ago when taking the class required for the MI carry license the instructor (county sheriff) told one student with a horizontal shoulder holster "no effing way will you go on the line with that rig, you'll sweep every one behind you and for all I know you are a dumb mother f**ker". Wouldn't let him continue until he got a plain old hip holster from his car or someone else.
Ended up using an Uncle Mike's cheap floppy.
The guy and his girlfriend had a few other issues as well but got straightened out, at least for the class.

 

[BigMoose]

While they are no good for classes, shoulder holsters do have their place..



I do once in a while carry in a vertical type M12 GI holster with the M13 shoulder adapter.

 

[MrSmitty]

Why were you looking at his butt........yes I went there......

 

[Goodcat]

Tell him to get with 2023 and point his gun at his own twig and berries AIWB.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Yeah those are for small guns, and even then, most of those are slightly pointed down, and cover the damn muzzle

Mine is for a 1911 and exposed muzzle. It definitely gets your attention if you're behind me haha.

 

[BigMoose]

Mine is for a 1911 and exposed muzzle. It definitely gets your attention if you're behind me haha.

Yeah I found later that some are like that. I just never had one of that type.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

One thing about the 2A community, we sure are quick to tell someone they arent exercising their right how we want them to exercise it. Hard to fight opposition when we fight amongst ourselves at every turn.


If someone decided to start shooting in that store, being behind him in line is right where i would want to be, regardless of his carry method.

Almost every shoulder holster flags the person behind them. I dont see a difference, other than it being about 15 inches lower.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Yeah those are for small guns, and even then, most of those are slightly pointed down, and cover the damn muzzle

You seem concerned about the exposed muzzle, would a piece of leather/kydex covering it be any safer?

If I'm minding my own business and the barrel of someone's pistol is pointing at my gut that bothers me.....and pretty much everyone else

How do you feel about being on the ground floor of a two story building with people walking above you? People could be up there with a vertical carry holster and it being pointed at your head.

Looks like a cross draw belt holster to me, but I'm no expert. I'm sure it enables him to draw and get on target super fast.

Probably much easier for a weak hand draw than a 3 o'clock carry, and possibly easier when seated in a car.

 

[Max Volume]

I'm just thinking it would be difficult to get a good grip on the gun when drawing in that position.
Probably never practices drawing the unloaded pistol at home.

 

[armalitesheepdog]

Why were you looking at his butt........yes I went there......

Well it is big. I can not lie.

 

[armalitesheepdog]

One thing about the 2A community, we sure are quick to tell someone they arent exercising their right how we want them to exercise it. Hard to fight opposition when we fight amongst ourselves at every turn.


If someone decided to start shooting in that store, being behind him in line is right where i would want to be, regardless of his carry method.

Almost every shoulder holster flags the person behind them. I dont see a difference, other than it being about 15 inches lower.

I get that. I actually want everyone to carry.
You gotta admit that .45 size hole pointing right at you knowing most likely there's a round in tha chamber and not knowing his personal gun handling skills is unacceptable.
If I go into a LGS and look at a known unloaded pistol and muzzle the clerk or other customers im sure I would be told thats unsafe. And nice to see you back around seems you've been away.

 

[bashMOH]

I get that. I actually want everyone to carry.
You gotta admit that .45 size hole pointing right at you knowing most likely there's a round in tha chamber and not knowing his personal gun handling skills is unacceptable.
If I go into a LGS and look at a known unloaded pistol and muzzle the clerk or other customers im sure I would be told thats unsafe. And nice to see you back around seems you've been away.

IMO, the difference there is the gun is unholstered and therefore off safe. If you holster your firearm in any method that I can think of, you're flagging something

 

[Dean C.]

I have seen several examples of this IRL, mostly popular with the 50+ crowd. Was there a movie or show that heavily featured a crossdraw holster that I am not aware of?

 

[Twangbanger]

I have seen several examples of this IRL, mostly popular with the 50+ crowd. Was there a movie or show that heavily featured a crossdraw holster that I am not aware of?

OP, I'll let my Dad know you like his butt, lol.

But seriously, "belts" are not popular with the 50+ crowd.

And on the East side, they aren't popular with any demographic.

Bet you five bucks he leaves it laying around in his house inside that, and swings it on like a life preserver when he goes out to buy brats and lottery tickets.

 

[BE Mike]

I'm not as worried about that as to the chance that he can't hit a barn door with it, if the need arises.

 

[Ziggidy]

If he was leaning forward just a little, a cross draw or multi position could do that.

 

[ECS686]

Several issues the first is (other than unpractical as heck) how does he draw without sweeping everyon to his left trying to get it into target? Let alone maybe he’s not justified yet and only should draw to a low ready! Have the person not having those plans B,C and D in his mind!

 

[tcecil88]

I do not consider this flagging as it is holstered and the owner's hands are not on the weapon. The owner chooses to carry in this manner and it is his choice. Crossdraw or shoulder carry is quicker in a car and if the is East Side, he is just as likely to be in his car when bad stuff happens. This may also be the most comfortable way for this person to carry his pistol. His pistol is not concealed very well, but the older I get, the less I worry about if someone sees my pistol. I do make an effort to conceal it, but if it prints or the bottom of the holster peaks out when I bend over, I don't care. 99% of the people around are too busy being humans to pay attention to their surroundings.
The only time I get nervous about being flagged is if the pistol is actually in someone's hand. You cannot go to a gun store without all the guns in the case flagging you, or a gun show with the guns on a table flagging you. If it's actually being handled and the person is not being considerate of others and flagging them, then it is appropriate to say something.
Someone mentioned Appendix carry. What if your lying down on your back on the couch or bed and your wife or kids walk in? You're potentially flagging them. No matter how you carry, there are always instances when your weapon could be pointed at someone. That being said, use a good quality holster to mitigate the risk of an unintentional discharge. Train with your preferred method of carry so that when you have to draw it, your finger is off the trigger until it is on target.

 

[ditcherman]

You gotta admit that ….is unacceptable.

I don’t gotta admit nothin.

There’s guns pointed at you all the time. Relax. The more the better.

 

[ditcherman]

Several issues the first is (other than unpractical as heck) how does he draw without sweeping everyon to his left trying to get it into target? Let alone maybe he’s not justified yet and only should draw to a low ready! Have the person not having those plans B,C and D in his mind!

If stuff goes down and I’m drawing I guarantee you I’m sweeping people. It’s why we practice to not shoot what doesn’t need shot. Well, some of us do apparently.