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Reading this thread reminds me of some years back watching a video of Ted Nugent hunting wild boars with a bow and arrow.
He also carried a Glock Model 20 10mm.
In this video he had hit a boar with an arrow, and then followed it into the bushes to find it.
When he found it, it charged him and that 10mm was very effective and putting the boar down.
He also carried a Glock Model 20 10mm.
In this video he had hit a boar with an arrow, and then followed it into the bushes to find it.
When he found it, it charged him and that 10mm was very effective and putting the boar down.
Feral hogs are not nearly as tough as they are made out to be. The majority of them that are shot and not recovered are lost not because the caliber wasn't sufficient but because the shot placement wasn't.
With hogs, the vitals are higher and more forward than deer. A low, behind the shoulder shot that would be a perfect lung shot on a deer is a gut shot on a hog. The head/neck vital area of a hog is larger than the area of the heart and lungs vital area and provides a better target in most cases. This shot works better with either higher velocity or large frontal area bullets as hog are susceptible to shock, especially in and around the spinal column.
IMO, a 7.62x39 is not a real step up from 5.56 for eradicating hogs. The bullet selection is poor and most are not good choices. Were it me, I'd focus primarily on head/neck shots with a 5.56. I'd choose a good bullet in case I needed to take a body shoot but that would be last resort shot, not a first choice. By good bullet, I mean a well constructed bonded or mono-metal bullet, even a partition, not just a heavy target bullet or personal protection marketing gimmick. If you limit yourself strictly to head/neck shots then pretty much any bullet will work.
With hogs, the vitals are higher and more forward than deer. A low, behind the shoulder shot that would be a perfect lung shot on a deer is a gut shot on a hog. The head/neck vital area of a hog is larger than the area of the heart and lungs vital area and provides a better target in most cases. This shot works better with either higher velocity or large frontal area bullets as hog are susceptible to shock, especially in and around the spinal column.
IMO, a 7.62x39 is not a real step up from 5.56 for eradicating hogs. The bullet selection is poor and most are not good choices. Were it me, I'd focus primarily on head/neck shots with a 5.56. I'd choose a good bullet in case I needed to take a body shoot but that would be last resort shot, not a first choice. By good bullet, I mean a well constructed bonded or mono-metal bullet, even a partition, not just a heavy target bullet or personal protection marketing gimmick. If you limit yourself strictly to head/neck shots then pretty much any bullet will work.
The OP is from TN.
There were a few hogs reported between Kirklin and Frankfort a few years ago. Very quickly dispatched I'm sure.
There are hogs in S IN but the DNR won't tell us that because they don't want to make a sport out of it here, because that will just bring more demand for the sport, and imported hogs, and the hogs will probably win.
The good video ancjr put up mentioned they're in Canada, and I've heard that before.
Can't believe I'm the first one in to say "we'll be right down!"
Completely understand if that's not what you're looking for, but I could be serious about getting together on this.
I'm not sure you will be able to keep from having a repeat every year; there's plenty of southern states that complain about hogs, what I don't understand is why they charge so much if they're such a problem - there has to be a balance somewhere.
As far as the meat goes, while I've never had wild boar, just like you I prefer my beef grain finished, and the hogs don't sound that appealing.
Domesticated hogs are smart, when we were raising them I always said they would have taken over the world if they had thumbs. Wild won't be much different, just tougher survivalists. The side by side just let them know they're in the right neighborhood, that there's something worth protecting.
LOL, A whole lot of animals have and are killed with a spear around the world.
First, when you mention 5.56. You -really- need to include barrel length in your thoughts.
5.56/223 from a 14.5 or 16 inch barrel, is a completely different animal them from a 20 inch or longer barrel.
When provided with a 20 inch barrel, most any kind of 5.56 load works wonders on hogs. (unless its windy)..
I have many 100+ yard hog kills, at night, with a PVS-4 (with upgraded tube) night optic using an A2 HBAR 20 inch.
Unless its windy.. the wind will kick the 5.56 around too much, I go for the M14 with the same optic at night. However, its tougher to get follow ups with the m14, between the recoil and the muzzle flash making the optic "reset"..
That is the thing with hogs, unless it's a big alpha solitary bore, you are going to want something with rapid follow ups.. as most of the hogs travel in large sounders. Plus some younger bores will travel in small 2 or 3 groups.. and there is nothing like a 20 inch barrel Ar15 (with rifle gas and buffer) for quick follow ups.
Daytime. I have taken to using the M1 Carbine. Our daytime hunting is with dogs, and the M1 is really light. The Hornady Critical Defense load in 30 carbine is no joke. But that is all close up and personal.
5.56/223 from a 14.5 or 16 inch barrel, is a completely different animal them from a 20 inch or longer barrel.
When provided with a 20 inch barrel, most any kind of 5.56 load works wonders on hogs. (unless its windy)..
I have many 100+ yard hog kills, at night, with a PVS-4 (with upgraded tube) night optic using an A2 HBAR 20 inch.
Unless its windy.. the wind will kick the 5.56 around too much, I go for the M14 with the same optic at night. However, its tougher to get follow ups with the m14, between the recoil and the muzzle flash making the optic "reset"..
That is the thing with hogs, unless it's a big alpha solitary bore, you are going to want something with rapid follow ups.. as most of the hogs travel in large sounders. Plus some younger bores will travel in small 2 or 3 groups.. and there is nothing like a 20 inch barrel Ar15 (with rifle gas and buffer) for quick follow ups.
Daytime. I have taken to using the M1 Carbine. Our daytime hunting is with dogs, and the M1 is really light. The Hornady Critical Defense load in 30 carbine is no joke. But that is all close up and personal.
As we say, this isn't hunting, this is PEST CONTROL.
The more of them that have bleeding holes in them the better.
Yeah your 45-70 lever will obliterate one hog, but 15 of his buddies run off... well not much good. Your AR15 has a chance of putting holes in 4 or so if you do your job.
However the most effective hog removal is traps, and someone with a 22 pistol..
And yeah we use the traps too,
I can't wait for the winter when I make my usual southern swing to eradicate hogs.
People who hunt hogs, just for one.. are really not helping much.
People who nab an AR15 with a giggle switch and go for many... are making more of a dent (not me, but I have gone after hogs with some who do)
That said, the 7.62x39, 300 blackout, or even 5.45 (yes 5.45).. shooters do just as good as the 20 inch AR usually.
The more of them that have bleeding holes in them the better.
Yeah your 45-70 lever will obliterate one hog, but 15 of his buddies run off... well not much good. Your AR15 has a chance of putting holes in 4 or so if you do your job.
However the most effective hog removal is traps, and someone with a 22 pistol..
And yeah we use the traps too,
I can't wait for the winter when I make my usual southern swing to eradicate hogs.
People who hunt hogs, just for one.. are really not helping much.
People who nab an AR15 with a giggle switch and go for many... are making more of a dent (not me, but I have gone after hogs with some who do)
That said, the 7.62x39, 300 blackout, or even 5.45 (yes 5.45).. shooters do just as good as the 20 inch AR usually.
That might be accurate for pure or nearly so Eurasian wild boar but feral hogs are built more like domestic hogs. This is a more accurate shot placement guide for feral hogs.
The short of it is that you either need to aim for the center of the shoulder and at or above the midline of the animal or tight to the shoulder and above the midline to have much margin for error for a chest shot. Whereas with the head/neck shot, everything from just below the eye back to the shoulder and slightly above midline is fatal and provides instant feedback on the shot.
The comment about fat plugging a wound and reducing blood sign may be true, it sounds plausible at least but I've yet see a feral hog that was all that fat. Midwestern deer have far more fat than any wild hog I've yet seen. Really old boars usually have a mass of scar tissue covering their shoulders that could reduce the amount of external bleeding, especially with a heavy coating of mud as they often have.
For those asking how they taste, females and young males won't taste and different than domestic hogs, they'll just be a bit tougher and dryer most likely. The meat from older males tastes like it smells. If the smell doesn't put you off, then give it a try.
Unpressured hogs are typically not all that hard to get close to. They learn quickly though and as weak as their hearing and eye sight may be, their sense of smell makes up for it. Mass trapping is considered to be a more effective means of control than shooting them because they do learn quickly.
This^^^
I've been once with a 30-30, kinda want to go again and use it as an excuse to get a 336 in 35 Remington
If it continues there is going to be an invite put out. I don’t want to sound cold and I understand they are one of God’s creatures but still they have decimated over 10 acres of sorghum . I don’t want to sound like I am being petty, but there are seed cost, diesel is not cheap and time. Destroying something I worked hard at does not sit well with me. I know they do not have cognitive thought but seeing the destruction is very frustrating.
Do people charge to come eliminate them? I have some associates from WCSD that will coming out this weekend and hopefully we can reduce their numbers a fair bit.
I am going to try roasting a whole hog and we will see how it goes, otherwise the LGD’s are going to be eating well.
People PAY to come hunt them.
Eliminate them? That does sound like a ‘job’. But if you want their numbers severely reduced, just allowing hunters to come in will definitely do that.
I’m not sure anyone, professionals included, could guarantee elimination.
But like you said, you will certainly learn something this weekend.
Concerning the ‘feeling’ of wanton waste, I don’t think you have to feel bad about defending your crop. There is nothing petty about the cost of production these days.
hopefully.
…..what I don't understand is why they charge so much if they're such a problem - there has to be a balance somewhere.
I was not, sure what you were referring to hunting licenses Perhaps?
But no I would never dream of trying to charge someone to help with a problem
There are a lot of places that charge to come hunt them, whether it’s a guide fee or just permission and you’re on your own.
It’s also big business when you start combining permission, guiding, room and board, and butchering and freezing for your trip home.
I just got back from a prairie dog hunt, and that’s something anyone with a conscious has to answer.
Some think that white man is the invader and we have no right, some think that “dominion over animals” gives us free reign, the answer is somewhere in between with a responsibility of balancing humans needs and nature.
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