New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[snorko]

So any pistols imported without a brace remain pistols, but if a brace was EVER attached it must be turned in or destroyed?

What if a brace was added after adding enough US parts to comply with 922r?

Glad I sold my Draco after sbr'ing a 107.

 

[Hatchet601]

I wonder how short barreled shotguns would play into this ruling. They are different classifications per the NFA but not mentioned from what Inhave read so far.

Same questions - all I see is Rifle rifle rifle, not seeing SBS anywhere in there.

 

[Hatchet601]

I'm gonna be real with y'all for a second.

If you see this and think "sweet, free SBR stamp", you are part of the problem.

Agree. Secondary - why would you register it with a Brace instead of putting on an actual stock designed for shoulder fire if you have it registered?

 

[indykid]

Trying to understand the posts regarding 922(r) compliance when the unconstitutional sporting purpose clause of the new ATF second amendment pertains to long guns and not pistols.

 

[bobzilla]

Trying to understand the posts regarding 922(r) compliance when the unconstitutional sporting purpose clause of the new ATF second amendment pertains to long guns and not pistols.

Because they are no longer being considered pistols but short barreled rifles.

 

[indykid]

Because they are no longer being considered pistols but short barreled rifles.

Thanks. Yes, AT and unconstitutional F totally out of control.

 

[bobzilla]

Thanks. Yes, AT and unconstitutional F totally out of control.

You will get no argument from me. I just wish I’d gotten on the ball sooner to have something to not comply with.

 

[BigMoose]

Would it kill them to realize the cat is well out of the bag, and remove the whole pointless SBR thing out of the NFA?

 

[KLB]

Would it kill them to realize the cat is well out of the bag, and remove the whole pointless SBR thing out of the NFA?

yes

 

[actaeon277]

It's a rule that has force of law... hasn't been published to the federal register yet AFAIK.

BATFE can't legally do this since they are WAY outside what the law says and in the wake of the SCOTUS case West Virginia v EPA 2022 (recognizes that 3-letter agencies aren't the Legislative Branch, can't make laws, and there are limits) and this is pretty much the definition of arbitrary (Administrative Procedures Act specifically forbids arbitrary changes.) Although ATF should stand for "Arbitrary Towards Firearms".

BATFE is doing it anyway, Constitution be damned! TPTB at ATF are anti-2A, period, dot. We dodged a bullet (pun intended) when the Chipman (the guy who was somewhere between Gary Busey and a demented chipmunk) nomination was pulled, but the one who got past the Senate is a mainstream anti-2A type so he was acceptable.

Until it gets to a court? This will continue. Until the House and Senate decide too much was delegated to the 3-letter agencies? More of this will continue.

Wrote your congress-critters in DC yet? Post #84 in this thread has a draft letter/email.

Until there are consequences, it will continue.

 

[actaeon277]

Would it kill them to realize the cat is well out of the bag, and remove the whole pointless SBR thing out of the NFA?

yes

yes

 

[tackdriver]

If true, I would really be disappointed. I wonder if they have calculated into their decision making my disappointment.

I'm sure they did, and it gave them great pause. With sadness, they had to keep moving forward despite it.

 

[tackdriver]

So local law enforcement does not turn over anything to federal law enforcement?

They certainly don't turn over illegal imagrants that are arrested for violent crimes. Locals just release them and give them a piece of paper telling them to voluntarily show up for court in 10 months.

 

[tackdriver]

So... we are basically in a spot where:

• People thought they were complying with the law. They thought this because the Gov't told them so.
• Now the Gov't is telling them that they are committing a felony, and can go to jail or be financially ruined.
• People are scared that "The Man" will come for them in the middle of the night if they don't comply.
• People are scared that if they DO comply, "The Man" will come for them in the middle of the night.
• Peoples fear is not unreasonable, and based on the past behavior of the ATF, FBI, and so on.
• Confusion multiplies fear beyond the reasonable levels.

Since a brace doesn't make a pistol more dangerous to the public, 'Public Safety' is not the motive. Since the Fed's are refusing to enforce the law in numerous other areas, 'Sense of Duty' isn't the motive.

Seems to me that the outcome is a bunch of scared, confused, people with guns. Seems like the observed outcome is most likely to be the intended outcome.

I just hope they all keep their muzzles pointed in the proper direction while this gets sorted out.

 

[Expat]

I'm sure they did, and it gave them great pause. With sadness, they had to keep moving forward despite it.

Well that is also disappointing

 

[JAL]

Would it kill them to realize the cat is well out of the bag, and remove the whole pointless SBR thing out of the NFA?

yes

yes

yes

 

[nonobaddog]

Would it kill them to realize the cat is well out of the bag, and remove the whole pointless SBR thing out of the NFA?

yes

yes

yes

Hopefully

 

[Cameramonkey]

yes

No. That would require that they admit they were wrong, and they wont do that. They are going to have to be told to stop by SCOTUS or the legislative branch.

 

[BigMoose]

I just hope they don't do something stupid, like change their mind about what constitutes pinning and welding a muzzle device onto a 14.5 barrel.

I never made the pistol brace plunge, but I did buy a premade 14.5 BCM upper with a pinned and welded extended A2 hider.