Selling a rifle: should the person have an LTCH?

[doddg]

I was selling a TC barrel here in the Classifieds & a member graciously told me that it wasn't necessary for a buyer to have an LTCH to buy a barrel legally.
I have another question.
Does a person need to have an LTCH to legally buy a rifle from an individual?

 

[d.kaufman]

I was selling a TC barrel here in the Classifieds & a member graciously told me that it wasn't necessary for a buyer to have an LTCH to buy a barrel legally.
I have another question.
Does a person need to have an LTCH to legally buy a rifle from an individual?

A person doesn't need to have a LTCH to purchase any handgun or rifle from an individual or business

 

[rosejm]

Legally, no.
Firearm *parts* have no requirements at all.
Only legal requirement for selling *firearms* is that you believe them to be a proper person.

But as a private seller, you can have whatever requirements you like - as long as you make them clear and plain in your communications with the buyer. Just like a private business can require a Driver's License (vs. Gov issued picture ID), or keep it locked in a box until you leave their property.

Your deal, your rules. Some buyers may not agree with your requirements.

 

[target64]

Short answer is no.

 

[MCgrease08]

Only legal requirement for selling *firearms* is that you believe them to be a proper person.

Incorrect.

The person you're selling to must be a resident of the state and you must not know them to be a prohibited person.

What you "believe" is irrelevant, only what you actually know matters.

 

[doddg]

Am I wrong to still want to sell a handgun by requiring an LTCH, just b/c it gives some "vetting" and screening to insure a person is a "proper" person?

I have never been concerned about a long standing member here on INGO combined with the LTCH, of course.
But, I sometimes sell on another site, of which I am more concerned about a person I would be meeting and will still require it.

Also, I'm not too concerned about selling a hunting rifle to a person if it is not required, since that's really not the type of weapon used to commit crimes.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I was selling a TC barrel here in the Classifieds & a member graciously told me that it wasn't necessary for a buyer to have an LTCH to buy a barrel legally.
I have another question.
Does a person need to have an LTCH to legally buy a rifle from an individual?

It seems like we had a discussion on this subject a while back, but it's always good for discussion. We are after all, an Internet discussion forum

To purchase a firearm (which a barrel itself is not) here in the Great State of Indiana there is not a LEGAL requirement to have a LTCH.

If the seller sets certain terms for a sale, that is between the seller and the buyer. If the terms are reasonable? There will be buyers. LTCH indicates a lawful possessor of firearms. An Indiana drivers license indicates State of residency. Indiana Code contains the word "knowingly" in reference to selling a firearm to a prohibited possessor.

If the terms of the seller are "a bridge too far", the market will decide that this isn't of value.

Is a LTCH required (per Indiana Code) to buy a firearm? No. Is a barrel a firearm? No. Can the seller set terms as to who can buy? Yes. As a private seller, can an individual choose not to sell to anyone, for any reason, no matter how much cash they offer? Yes.

Does the seller have the option to sell at a 50% discount to staff members with distinguished grey beards who live in Hendricks County? Yes, but that might be "a bridge too far."

 

[Robert Richardson]

Your gun, your rules.

 

[target64]

Am I wrong to still want to sell a handgun by requiring an LTCH, just b/c it gives some "vetting" and screening to insure a person is a "proper" person?

I have never been concerned about a long standing member here on INGO combined with the LTCH, of course.
But, I sometimes sell on another site, of which I am more concerned about a person I would be meeting and will still require it.

Also, I'm not too concerned about selling a hunting rifle to a person if it is not required, since that's really not the type of weapon used to commit crimes.

Wrong, no. More than what some would comply with, yes. Always two sides to a coin

 

[BankShot]

Does the seller have the option to sell at a 50% discount to staff members with distinguished grey beards who live in Hendricks County? Yes, but that might be "a bridge too far."

I really don't think this part was needed. Seems like a phishing scam to me.

 

[2in1evtime]

I have seen your items listed on the other site and to frank i have had 3 people that had felonies try to purchase when i used that site, i got there name nd ran them on my case now if they ever had a felony outside of indiana it wont show there! i b
no longer use that site myself!!!!!!!

 

[KellyinAvon]

I really don't think this part was needed. Seems liking a phishing scam to me.

 

[doddg]

I have seen your items listed on the other site and to frank i have had 3 people that had felonies try to purchase when i used that site, i got there name nd ran them on my case now if they ever had a felony outside of Indiana it wont show there! i b
no longer use that site myself!!!!!!!

Thanks for that heads-up.
I will still require an LTCH when selling a handgun & a rifle on that site.
On INGO, I won't require it when selling a rifle.
I do like the "screening/vetting" that takes place for a person to get an LTCH if I'm going to meet a stranger to sell a firearm.
I prefer to sell only on INGO anyway, for obvious reasons.
If I have a really good deal & want to pay-it-forward to those on INGO, some of which I've bought/sold more than once over the years.

 

[Sigblitz]

It depends on what risks you're willing to assume. Though you may be on legal footing, the ATF would visit your FFL and then your home if even your gun case was in possession of a prohibited person. They will ask you to show them other firearms that were recorded on the FFL log. This is the point where you listen to their suggestions about future sales if all goes well.

 

[BigRed]

I was selling a TC barrel here in the Classifieds & a member graciously told me that it wasn't necessary for a buyer to have an LTCH to buy a barrel legally.
I have another question.
Does a person need to have an LTCH to legally buy a rifle from an individual?

No for long gun and handgun

(Cue the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the likes of that ***** shannon twitts)

 

[bwframe]

If the member's post history shows them to be a solid, relatively regular contributor to this forum, no reason for me to ask for any papers.

I live in the middle of the state. There might be more of a concern of out of staters out towards the edges.

For me, I'm gonna err on the trusting side with established INGOers. The law reads "knowingly," so I'm not about presume that an INGOer is a covert felon. Differerent story, if there was any knowledge of the possibility.

If my stuff doesn't sell in the INGO classifieds, I figure my price must be too high? Not gonna venture off into gunfight in the parking lot Arms/Craigs/MyFace territory.

 

[Basher]

No. IMO the LTCH in Indiana is a but useless for determining someone’s felony status given that the license is good for a lifetime. Unless it was issued in the past few years, I consider the background check from it to be dated. It’s a nice extra (the chances of someone with an LTCH being a felon is admittedly very low but not zero), but I don’t consider it a requirement. If I don’t have any knowledge of or reason to believe that the buyer is prohibited, then we’re good as long as they’re a resident and of age. As noted above, if they’re an established, known, and active member here in good standing, I’d call that good enough.

 

[Sigblitz]

I was selling a TC barrel here in the Classifieds & a member graciously told me that it wasn't necessary for a buyer to have an LTCH to buy a barrel legally.
I have another question.
Does a person need to have an LTCH to legally buy a rifle from an individual?

Selling in the unknown territory

 

[doddg]

It depends on what risks you're willing to assume. Though you may be on legal footing, the ATF would visit your FFL and then your home if even your gun case was in possession of a prohibited person. They will ask you to show them other firearms that were recorded on the FFL log. This is the point where you listen to their suggestions about future sales if all goes well.

I don't understand what is to be gained by coming to my door asking to see a gun that I bought at a store months or years ago since I am permitted to sell to another person w/o using the services of an FFL?

With my range hobby & how I like to buy a gun, try it out for awhile, then move on to the next flavor, chances are 100% I would not still have any gun I bought even a few months ago.
I learned here that it is not required that I have records of such.
To meet the "proper person" profile, I have only sold to LTCH card holders, whether on this site or another that I use.

A person who bought a firearm from me might have sold it to someone else that was not a
"proper person," but I understand that still doesn't come back on me.
To avoid any person who might be criminally inclined, I've only sold to those who have their LTCH, required by law or not.

 

[WebSnyper]

It depends on what risks you're willing to assume. Though you may be on legal footing, the ATF would visit your FFL and then your home if even your gun case was in possession of a prohibited person. They will ask you to show them other firearms that were recorded on the FFL log. This is the point where you listen to their suggestions about future sales if all goes well.

I'm not clear at all where an FFL came into this discussion?