Is 2022 Elections going to be a Red Tidal Wave?

[Ingomike]

Really? Isn’t answering in a way that makes you say that, evidence that critical thought has been put into the answer? Maybe your exasperation is frustration that someone doesn’t so readily accept wild ass claims without scrutiny. But wild ass claims requires proportionate wild ass proof.

No, any frustration I have is guys like you that are so smart, (I mean that sincerely) but they set standards of evidence way beyond what we should be done in this situation.

Organized crime figured out how to conduct their criminal enterprises without anyone important getting caught up in the raids. The people knew but were helpless to stop them with normal laws and penalties. The RICO statutes were created to deal with organized crime that previously was untouchable.

That there is vote fraud in Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, Philidelphia, have been the mainstay of jokes all of my life. The people know but our current laws are impotent against such organization. We must clean this crap up. The problem is that there were few of the people at large on the mobs side, so it was an easy sell to use the RICO statutes to go after organized crime, not so easy to clean up when half the country is gaining on the other half from that organized activity…

 

[Ingomike]

We are both in that category, and I'm very confident neither of us voted for D's. It is obviously what the exit polling shows, even the polling from right wing sources. It's not in dispute that educated white people tend to vote Democrat more than Republican, and in this election, it was especially true for unmarried, educated white women. No one is shocked by that.

You are forgetting that both of you are STEM, remove them and the numbers get worse. Even business and law have moved to the democrats…

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I just took a quick look at Hammer and Scorecard... trace it to it's source and it's pretty shady. One of the "smoking guns" was supposedly a large difference in Presidential and Senate votes (150k) in Michigan on election night... once all of the votes were counted, that huge difference evaporated (26k) and was in line with norms in other states. As well as not enough to change the outcome, which was the supposed purpose of the H&S, add enough votes to change to outcome.

Infamous ‘Hoax’ Artist Behind Trumpworld’s New Voter Fraud Claim

He tricked the Bush administration into thinking he could detect terrorist signals in al Jazeera broadcasts. Now Dennis Montgomery has a new set of believers.

www.thedailybeast.com

The Hammer and Scorecard smoking gun: 150,000 Michigan presidential ‘voters’ didn’t vote for Senate

It isn't unheard of for voters to not fill out their entire ballot. Ballot measures and lower level offices often

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2020 United States presidential election in Michigan - Wikipedia

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2020 United States Senate election in Michigan - Wikipedia

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You are forgetting that both of you are STEM, remove them and the numbers get worse. Even business and law have moved to the democrats…

I see it a little different... the country as a whole is not that "woke". Twitter ain't real life, lol!

Take the trans sports issue.

IMO, if the issue is framed in some vein of "chicks with ****s" don't belong in girl's sports, then a lot of support for our side is lost because that comes across as a hate-filled ideology that people in the middle just don't want to associate with.

IMO, if the issue is framed as someone with decades of male/testosterone enhanced development has an unfair advantage against girls/women in sports leagues created specifically for them, based upon their sex/gender, otherwise why even have that separation, then we win almost all of the people in the middle.

 

[foszoe]

Really? Isn’t answering in a way that makes you say that, evidence that critical thought has been put into the answer? Maybe your exasperation is frustration that someone doesn’t so readily accept wild ass claims without scrutiny. But wild ass claims requires proportionate wild ass proof.

I bet Mike will have an answer...

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[Ingomike]

Quite a list…

 

[BugI02]

Having a F5 hurricane turn out to be a yawner aftermath, compared to other storms

You obviously have not looked at the satellite photos of Sanibel, Ft Meyers, Ft Meyers Beach etc. It will be years, if ever, before those areas approximate their pre-Ian state, and the presumption of 'competent leadership' is very premature with respect to that. A few truckloads of sand used to reopen the causeway on a temporary basis doesn't really cut it

 

[BugI02]

Maybe DeSantis will turn out to be just another CoC/neocon. I don't know. We'll see. But you already assume he is because you are helplessly devoted to Trump and DeSantis is ahead of Trump in many polls.

Same old bull****. You are ready to buy into the propaganda machine positioning DeSantis as the next big thing/savior of the GOP, despite there being little there there, because you'll go for any alternative to Trump because that scratches an itch you can't admit you have

But anyone wanting proof he's got what it takes isn't doing intellectual due diligence

Your motives are suspect and your evidence is thin

What I keep reading is essentially 'DeSantis' claim to fame is he did better than expected at the state level' but I should not prefer a candidate who has already proven he 'did better than expected at the national level' - including attracting 9.2million+ more votes in 2020 than in 2016. I want to see your guy play on the big stage, if he wins the primary I most certainly will vote for him but I will not be anointing him the chosen one before then

 

[foszoe]

You obviously have not looked at the satellite photos of Sanibel, Ft Meyers, Ft Meyers Beach etc. It will be years, if ever, before those areas approximate their pre-Ian state, and the presumption of 'competent leadership' is very premature with respect to that. A few truckloads of sand used to reopen the causeway on a temporary basis doesn't really cut it

There are things that one controls and there are responses.

We can judge the response at any time.

It didn't take years to compare immediate response to other storms

 

[BugI02]

I am unaware of pre-Desantis mere mortal governors doing a markedly worse preparation and response to Cat 4 landfalling storms. Do enlighten me

What exactly, beyond the referenced causeway 'repair', did he, personally, do or order that was extraordinary?

 

[foszoe]

I am unaware of pre-Desantis mere mortal governors doing a markedly worse preparation and response to Cat 4 landfalling storms. Do enlighten me

What exactly, beyond the referenced causeway 'repair', did he, personally, do or order that was extraordinary?

I said nothing about DeSantis specifically and feel no need to address him

 

[BugI02]

Boosheet

 

[jamil]

Same old bull****. You are ready to buy into the propaganda machine positioning DeSantis as the next big thing/savior of the GOP, despite there being little there there, because you'll go for any alternative to Trump because that scratches an itch you can't admit you have

Propaganda machine pushing DeSantis? WTF? What about the propaganda machine pushing Trump? Ever think about that one? I didn't think so. And what propaganda sources have I been consuming? Where do you imagine I get my information about it?

And yeah, of course I would go after any alternative that I think is better than Trump. If you thought there was an alternative to Trump wouldn't you? I hope you would. Because if you didn't that would make me suspect that you make your decisions based on brand loyalty.

But anyone wanting proof he's got what it takes isn't doing intellectual due diligence

Proof that DeSantis has what it takes is far from complete at this point and I've said as much throughout this thread.

Your motives are suspect and your evidence is thin

I get the feeling that you think that anyone who is capable of finding any fault with Trump must have nefarious motives. I think the evidence is promising, but like I said, incomplete. Still waiting to decide if he's a CoC/neocon Republican. He's done a pretty good job in FL though. He's made some good decisions. Some decisions I'm not happy about. Some decisions I really hate. Wasn't happy about the Disney thing, but there, I think Trump would have gone further in the wrong direction. DeSantis has negatives but so far he seems to handle adversity like an actual adult.

The positives need to be confirmed with more evidence of how he handles the media more at a national level. He's been constantly pasted in the press, and he usually answers those the way I would want to see. But I want to see what policy decisions he would make at the national level. That's the most important thing to me. Also, I want to know how consistent he is compared to what he's promised. So there's a lot more to learn.

What I keep reading is essentially 'DeSantis' claim to fame is he did better than expected at the state level' but I should not prefer a candidate who has already proven he 'did better than expected at the national level' - including attracting 9.2million+ more votes in 2020 than in 2016. I want to see your guy play on the big stage, if he wins the primary I most certainly will vote for him but I will not be anointing him the chosen one before then

I'm not telling you what you should or should not do. I'm not telling you who you should vote for. I'm not even declaring that I will vote for DeSantis. I'm not trying to persuade you of anything. I'm just saying what I think about both candidates on the internet.

You keep suspecting my motives and claim my evidence is thin. Dude, how are you even qualified to sniff out any of that when you can't even divide what I've said from what I haven't? I haven't said DeSantis is my guy. I said he's a frontrunner of people I might vote for in 2024. I put Trump behind DeSantis at this point. And that is only DeSantis even runs. It's too early to be talking about anything further than that at this stage.

 

[cg21]

Does anyone else think the democrats/msm were responsible for the “red wave” narrative knowing the math wasn’t on our side… (defending more seats this go around) so they pushed the red wave narrative knowing it wasn’t possible as a blow to moral. I mean when in the last 10 years have cnn nbc abc said anything remotely positive About our side ? Yet they were all discussing the big red wave…

 

[jamil]

You obviously have not looked at the satellite photos of Sanibel, Ft Meyers, Ft Meyers Beach etc. It will be years, if ever, before those areas approximate their pre-Ian state, and the presumption of 'competent leadership' is very premature with respect to that. A few truckloads of sand used to reopen the causeway on a temporary basis doesn't really cut it

Yeah. I'm not underestimating the damage done. I'm talking about the lack of drama in the aftermath because things are getting handled. The people in FL who were devastated by this look to have rewarded DeSantis with a second term, including some pretty good numbers from Democrat strongholds.

This isn't anything like Katrina, for example, which really puts the competence of the governor in a showcase, good or bad. Louisiana's governor during Katrina expected the fed to do everything for her. She was a complete moron. Blame went to GWB, and not that I'm a fan of the CoC neocon, but it wasn't his issue.

I remember though, GWB sent some general, can't remember his name, but that dude got off the helicopter and started cussing at people and pointing, and **** started getting done. **** that the governor should have gotten done before that. Governors have to be good leaders/administrators, and DeSantis seems pretty good at that much at least.

 

[jamil]

I am unaware of pre-Desantis mere mortal governors doing a markedly worse preparation and response to Cat 4 landfalling storms. Do enlighten me

What exactly, beyond the referenced causeway 'repair', did he, personally, do or order that was extraordinary?

Well. Puerto Rico kinda sucked. There are some unique challenges there but the lack of leadership in crisis was astonishing. Again it looked to me like the leadership there just wanted to hand everything over to the feds to run. And of course, there's Katrina, as I mentioned above. Did you watch any of DeSantis's press conferences as he gave the status of stuff? I'm not claiming he did better than any other governor ever. I'm saying that that's what leadership in crisis looks like. Someone taking charge and getting things done.

Trump's not terrible at that either, but could be better if he checked his ego during crisis. It's not the time for that. He probably got a bad rap for how Puerto Rico was handled. It was partly a problem of being an island far from the mainland. But also because their Governor was a ****.

 

[jamil]

Boosheet

I think it's spelled, "Boebert"

 

[jamil]

Doss anyone else think the democrats/msm were responsible for the “red wave” narrative knowing the math wasn’t on our side… (defending more seats this go around) so they pushed the red wave narrative knowing it wasn’t possible as a blow to moral. I mean when in the last 10 years have cnn nbc abc said anything remotely positive About our side ? Yet they were all discussing the big red wave…

I don't know. I wondered about that as everyone was almost to the point of celebrating a red wave before it got here. And then it didn't really get here. It kinda did just in number of votes for Republican candidates. That doesn't really count though in the same way it didn't count that Biden's advantage was mostly from Blue states.

I think dems didn't behave like they thought a red wave was coming. They know they have mail-in ballots and an army of blue-haired feminists to send door to door pressuring people to vote that normally wouldn't. Pundits talk about ground game a lot. Did Republicans even have one? Republicans' TrueTheVote obviously isn't as effective as Democrats' GetOutTheVote.

 

[jamil]

I have to admit. I was a little skeptical of the FTX story at first. I mean it sounded really far fetched. You say some self-made billionaire kid did what? Eh. ****. It's true. WTF.

 

[Ingomike]

The red wave IMHO was a misread of what was happening on the ground by all sides. They were seeing the red wave in Florida and Texas and extrapolating it accords the country. My two cents…