FBI raids Trumps home

[Route 45]

I agree this likely is the 'why' for the raid. But this raid isn't normal. None of this is normal. If this raid produces evidence of the most egregious and damning of crimes committed by Trump, there is still a very big and scary stink here. Hunter Biden, documented crimes at state and federal level. Nothing. Hillary destroys evidence after it was subpoenaed. Nothing. This list is longer, but I think the point is made.

It’s a big club, and Trump ain’t in it.

 

[KG1]

I agree this likely is the 'why' for the raid. But this raid isn't normal. None of this is normal. If this raid produces evidence of the most egregious and damning of crimes committed by Trump, there is still a very big and scary stink here. Hunter Biden, documented crimes at state and federal level. Nothing. Hillary destroys evidence after it was subpoenaed. Nothing. This list is longer, but I think the point is made.

I don't believe we saw the FBI raid HRC's residence.

 

[Keith_Indy]

I guess, the powers that be would rather clear the way for DeSantis than risk another term for Trump.

David Axelrod On Trump Raid: ‘This Has Never Been Done In The History Of Our Country’

CNN's David Axelrod said the political implications of the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump are "huge" while speaking Monday on CNN.

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Axelrod said Attorney General Merrick Garland “understands … he has crossed a rubicon here.”

“If you are going to prosecute a former president of the United States, you’d better be pretty darn sure that you have an open-and-shut case. And I’m sure that a lot of discussion among prosecutors took place. I do agree, I would be stunned if anybody in the White House, including the president, knew. I mean, think of all the criticism that the president laid against Donald Trump for his intervening and trying to shape what the Department of Justice did.”

 

[KG1]

I guess, the powers that be would rather clear the way for DeSantis than risk another term for Trump.

David Axelrod On Trump Raid: ‘This Has Never Been Done In The History Of Our Country’

CNN's David Axelrod said the political implications of the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump are "huge" while speaking Monday on CNN.

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Seems to me that Axelrod is suggesting that the DOJ may have acted on it's own without any knowledge of the WH as to what was about to go down in such a major unprecedented "Rubicon crossing" moment and he would be stunned if they did know. I find it kind of hard to believe that nobody in the WH knew and even if it was true that they didn't know then the DOJ was intentionally insulating the WH from what they were about to do. Either way sounds equally as sketchy.

 

[MCgrease08]

Of course Biden didn't know. He barely knows his own name at this point.

 

[JTClark]

Well, the Jan 6th hearings aren't panning out as they'd hoped, so..

Aren't they still holding Americans in jail with out bail, with out a trial, because of their political affiliations? Costing them their jobs, reputations, and livelyhood? I'd say that is about what they hoped for.

That basketball playing doper got better treatment in Russia than American citizens who were directed in to their own capital building by the capital security team.

 

[BugI02]

Same fbi that orchestrated Ruby Ridge and Waco. But more currently, the same fbi that allowed peter strzok and james comey to run wild. Who polices the federal police?

When no one else will, we the people

On your feet or on your knees

 

[BugI02]

Certainly a good way to stir up his supporters, maybe they can get another "insurrection" started.

I still think it more likely they will start a war with China as cover for martial law and suspending elections. There is a strong tendency to support the government in wartime pretty much no matter what they do, as well as the gov't accords itself greater power to suppress dissent

The genteel losers that pass for conservatives will 'tut tut' and then go along providing they can exempt themselves from most of the adverse consequences

 

[Keith_Indy]

The raid is the "NEXT BIG THING" meant to distract us, wonder if this is what they don't want people knowing...

‘Smoking Gun’: Biden Admin Sued For Not Releasing Docs Declassified By Trump On Russia Collusion Investigation

The DOJ is being sued by a watchdog for not releasing records related to the FBI's probe into ties between Trump's campaign and the Russian government.

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A watchdog is suing President Joe Biden’s Justice Department (DOJ) for not releasing records related to the FBI’s defunct probe into ties between Donald Trump’s campaign and the Russian government — even though the former president declassified the records.

Judicial Watch is suing the DOJ to obtain the records, as well as communications between DOJ officials and government employees on the declassification of the records. The lawsuit, which was filed on Aug. 1, comes after the conservative watchdog submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request in February.

“The Obama-Biden Administration and Deep State spying on Trump and his associates is the worst government corruption scandal in American history,” Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, said in a statement Monday. “And to make matters worse, the Biden DOJ simply refuses to release smoking gun documents about this corruption that the American people have an absolute right to see!”

Although I do believe the conjecture that the timing is to hit Trump before he announces running for 2024

 

[Keith_Indy]

Another blast from the past, remember this...

FLASHBACK: Schumer Warned In 2017 The FBI Would Have ‘Six Ways’ Of Getting Back At Trump

Chuck Schumer predicted in 2017 the intelligence community would have "six ways" to get back at Trump after he pushed back against allegations.

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“You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you, so even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this,” Schumer said to Rachel Maddow while speaking on MSNBC.

“What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were motivated to?” Maddow asked.

“I don’t know,” Schumer said. “But from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them. And we need the intelligence community. Look at the Russian hacking. Without the intelligence community we wouldn’t have discovered it.”

“Do we think he has an agenda to try to dismantle parts of the intelligence community? I mean this form of taunting hostility.”

“Let me tell you,” Schumer chimed in. “Whether you’re a super liberal Democrat or a very conservative Republican, you should be against dismantling the intelligence community.”

 

[Keith_Indy]

Good line of reasoning in this article.

Anyone think Trump himself put particular documents into particular boxes, or do you think he ordered his chief of staff to have some flunky clear out his desk and files...

Wouldn't it be a hoot if it was Star Chamber witness Cassidy Hutchinson who did that.

‘Hell To Pay’: Ben Shapiro Issues Warning On Mar A Lago Raid; Addresses Claims Trump Could Be Barred From Office | The Daily Wire

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The New York Times reported that Trump delayed returning the approximately 15 boxes of material to the National Archives which included documents that were “marked as classified national security information.”

Federal prosecutors opened a grand jury investigation back in May into Trump over whether classified material that ended up at his home in Mar-a-Lago was mishandled.

The main purpose of these types of investigations is usually for federal authorities to determine if any classified material was compromised so that intelligence officials can take steps to protect sensitive sources and methods. Prosecutors are seeking to learn every aspect of how the documents were handled from the time the documents left the White House until they were returned to the National Archives.

For prosecutors to be able to prove that a crime was committed, they would need evidence showing that the parties involved in removing the documents from the White House knew that the documents were classified and knew that removing them would violate the law.

 

[Pepi]

Have they shot his dog yet?

Have they murdered his wife and child yet?

Nobody was home so who knows what they would have done.

 

[BugI02]

My guess nothing, except for the appearance that there`s "something" they`re looking for. I`d say it`s only to give the haters something to point at and shake their idiot heads.

The senate DeSantis will save us

 

[rooster]

Everyone talking about desantis but I want this Texas AG to run. He’s dropping lawsuits like crazy to be the change he wants to see. That man understands how to make change happen in 2022.

 

[Shadow01]

So... now what...

Nothing…

no one will do anything but complain

 

[two70]

If they hated Darth Trump, they're going to absolutely go apoplectic over Darth DeSantis...

Yes, the old adage about being careful what you wish for would seemingly apply here for the Dems. Removing Trump from contention likely would clear the path for DeSantis. In which case they get a more polished, less naïve, less reactionary version of Trump to deal with.

 

[mikebol]

Their motive is and always has been to find Federal charges they can hang on Trump to disqualify him from running in 2024. It's just that simple.

 

[BugI02]

For those asking why

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Do presidents have 'the ability to declassify anything'?

The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information

www.politifact.com

One of the members of Congress who commented after the newspaper’s revelations was Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho. According to CNN, he told reporters, "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."

Is that accurate? Independent experts said Risch is on target concerning the legal powers of the president.

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it’s done -- it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

And note that this is from 2017 and is from a 'fact-check organization', and they are not known for undue sympathy for this president

 

[BugI02]

My guess is "stand there and bleed."

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Yep. Although the bravest 3% might post their disgust on the internet and go to bed with a tummy ache.

Easy criticism to deliver from behind a badge. I notice you don't say what you would do different, there, Kemosabe

 

[BugI02]

Yes, the old adage about being careful what you wish for would seemingly apply here for the Dems. Removing Trump from contention likely would clear the path for DeSantis. In which case they get a more polished, less naïve, less reactionary version of Trump to deal with.

But how discouraged would the base be to realize that we will only be able to have candidates that the deep state approves of - and what would it say about that 'more polished' candidate that he was allowed to run?

Remember the deep state republicans were just fine with Jeb