Simple the 2nd amendment is the only gun law needed. Idc if you have been to jail you do your time you get your rights back if not then you shouldn't be set free to begin withWhat?
Really? Not sure?? Have you read what’s in the “NICS Denial Notification Act?Buyer Beware, the ATF is coming for you
Not sure which side of the fence i'm on with this.
Yes i've read most of it, with working with what we have right " Now " who besides the Feds goes after 4473 liars and other nefarious people?Really? Not sure?? Have you read what’s in the “NICS Denial Notification Act?
I didn't just mean this next election, but rather anytime. I just meant I don't want to give the Senate to the Dems *again*.It's already democrat leadership. The best time to do it would be when Republicans are expected to win by a landslide like they are predicting 2022.
Pretty simple for me what's the 2nd say there's where I'm at
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You mean the 20,000-plus infringements forbidden by the 2A? I agree: abolish them. As has been said so many times, "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.So with that , who would enforce Federal Firearm Laws.
I don't think this will hold up in court once someone files. I'd like to see the statue and code where it's a crime when denied on a nics. There isn't one
Yes i've read most of it, with working with what we have right " Now " who besides the Feds goes after 4473 liars and other nefarious people?
And they arnt very good at it themselves.
Rino's, like democrats make a lot of noise, conservatives need to get off their butts.Just went to Todd Young FB page.....99.9 % think he is a true American hero and wants nothing but good for Indiana and the country. They even put down the other senators that voted against the aid package....obviously 99.9% of Hoosiers don't realize they voted for anti-gun laws instead.
So with that , who would enforce Federal Firearm Laws.
I understand freedom my friend, quite well thank you.The 4473 is yet another infringement. Put it this way: A gun is a tool. If I can walk in to Lowe's and buy a hammer and not have ti file federal paperwork and submit like a criminal to having my background investigated, especially by well-funded forces that don't like that I have rights, then I should not have to submit to any of that to walk in to Lowe's or for that matter, Meijer, to buy a gun. What's that? Meijer doesn't sell guns because they're not a FFL dealer? The point is that there should not be an FFL system to define a seller that way!
Prior to 1968, a person of any age and any background could walk into a hardware store, put cash on the counter, and walk out with gun and ammo, possibly even with the ammo in the new gun just purchased.
Was there more crime when that was the law, or more under the FFL system?
Heinlein said it best: An armed society is a polite society.
Freedom is not safe. Freedom has risks. But we can't go around denying it to others to make ourselves feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel safer. All we can really do is fulfill their wishes when they decide to commit suicide by stupidity. (that is, attacking an innocent)
Blessings,
Bill
If someone wants to be addicted to drugs or alcohol, they will be. If they want off of them, they will get off of them. I don’t see those alone as reasons to prosecute someone.We seem to forget this is what we have NOW.
Not what we want it to be. What we want flew out the window in 68 and more so with the Brady.
So with what i'm reading here just forget what laws we have NOW and not enforce them?
Dont prosecute straw, drug addicts, drunks, felons that fill out 4473's trying to buy a firearm.
Thats a lot of cherry picking, do we not care about the felon thats on probation or parole? Do we not care about the endless straw purchases done in the name of a partner that is still on probation or parole?If someone wants to be addicted to drugs or alcohol, they will be. If they want off of them, they will get off of them. I don’t see those alone as reasons to prosecute someone.
A *former* felon going to buy a gun… again, in and of itself, I don’t care. Maybe that guy still knows people who continue to commit felonious acts, and wants to defend himself and his family against them. I say prosecute acts where someone has caused actual harm or attempted to do so.
I get that you’re addressing the laws as we have them now. Here’s the thing though, as I see it. Our laws, by and large, are supposed to punish those who are doing harm. If I choose to burn down my own house, I may do so. The consequence is that I then have no home, and I can’t file insurance on the home, as that’s a fraud, an actual harm.
Someone going to buy a gun, in and of itself, what harm has he done? Why should he be prosecuted? Has he not “paid his debt to society”, to use that old phrase? Is he to be punished forever for his act when he was younger?
Take, for example, the 18 yr old caught drinking, who then, at 21, knows he cannot drive, gets in his back seat to “sleep it off” and gets arrested for OWI, when he was trying to do the right thing… that’s two alcohol charges in 3 yrs, a felony. Are we really safer that that guy is kept helpless by the law?
It’s all about disarming us, one person at a time.If someone wants to be addicted to drugs or alcohol, they will be. If they want off of them, they will get off of them. I don’t see those alone as reasons to prosecute someone.
A *former* felon going to buy a gun… again, in and of itself, I don’t care. Maybe that guy still knows people who continue to commit felonious acts, and wants to defend himself and his family against them. I say prosecute acts where someone has caused actual harm or attempted to do so.
I get that you’re addressing the laws as we have them now. Here’s the thing though, as I see it. Our laws, by and large, are supposed to punish those who are doing harm. If I choose to burn down my own house, I may do so. The consequence is that I then have no home, and I can’t file insurance on the home, as that’s a fraud, an actual harm.
Someone going to buy a gun, in and of itself, what harm has he done? Why should he be prosecuted? Has he not “paid his debt to society”, to use that old phrase? Is he to be punished forever for his act when he was younger?
Take, for example, the 18 yr old caught drinking, who then, at 21, knows he cannot drive, gets in his back seat to “sleep it off” and gets arrested for OWI, when he was trying to do the right thing… that’s two alcohol charges in 3 yrs, a felony. Are we really safer that that guy is kept helpless by the law?
For me, it’s a moral issue similar to the death penalty. One person receiving the death penalty unjustly is too many. One person losing his rights unjustly is too many.Thats a lot of cherry picking, do we not care about the felon thats on probation or parole? Do we not care about the endless straw purchases done in the name of a partner that is still on probation or parole?
Nothing with the multiple time domestic violence offender?
How about those the court has found mentality deficient.
And those here illegally or on non immigration visa?
Those who earned a dishonorable discharge?
I would tend to believe we do a better job with those found guilty in todays dna, forensic world now than 20+ years ago. I would hope so anyway.For me, it’s a moral issue similar to the death penalty. One person receiving the death penalty unjustly is too many. One person losing his rights unjustly is too many.
I would tend to believe we do a better job with those found guilty in todays dna, forensic world now than 20+ years ago. I would hope so anyway.
Is there a better system than we have here?
To answer you, no, I really don't care about the felon on probation or parole (would be parole, in this situation, I think, but not splitting hairs... I get what you mean.) Which is to say, I don't care about them as a group, insofar as gun purchases... If they want them for criminal activity, they're going to get them, whether we try to stop them or not. That's why I set up the case example of the former felon gone straight. This guy doesn't want to commit a crime, he just wants to not be a victim of one. I can't see disarming that guy forever due to a past mistake.Thats a lot of cherry picking, do we not care about the felon thats on probation or parole? Do we not care about the endless straw purchases done in the name of a partner that is still on probation or parole?
Nothing with the multiple time domestic violence offender?
How about those the court has found mentality deficient.
And those here illegally or on non immigration visa?
Those who earned a dishonorable discharge?