Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[BigMoose]

I'm 57 years old. I have lived under the threat of nuclear war my whole life, including 22 years of that in the Army.

Never, until the last several days, have I ever had the constant thought in my head "If you see a bright flash of light, hit the ground and cover your eyes".

Yeah me too, I lived through those days, and have had similar thoughts coming flooding back. Worrying for sure.

As to the flashy Hyper-sonic missile....well I will post my thoughts in a bit

 

[BigMoose]

Meanwhile...

 

[BigMoose]

Now about that flashy Hyper-sonic missile..

First the Russian side.. Well I think we have seen where the Russian military budget was actually spent. It certainly wasn't on the poor front line grunts that actually have to get the job done.

1: We continually see AK-12s captured that have all sorts of rails for attachments. And its rare to see any attachments on them. So in effect its no better then the AK-74 that it effectively replaced.
2: Photos have been posted on the food being fed to Russian troops. Its expired by more then a few years. Videos have been posted. And it's not like US MRE expired ether.. Where its probably still good. Russian field rations are more like a box lunch.

in MANY ways the Chechnya troops sent in on the Russian side are much better equipped...
3: The 7N6 ammo cans I have seen, look pretty much the same dates i was surplussed to the US, only the US stuff looked in better shape..

The Russians have spent money on prestige weapons, and not maintaining or supporting their fighting force.. Yes i am sure they have a few flashy and very effective things, but the bulk of their force is just ineffective.

As to why we don't have a Hypersonic missile yet.
Its not a critical need. We have stealth aircraft, and an air force, plus a Naval air wing that is PROVEN effective in getting supreme air superiority, taking out air defenses, and sending someone to the stone age. After a few days of that. Fancy long range superfast missiles are kind of a waste. Why send one of those, when we can send the B-52 "bomb truck" and drop racks full of cheap bombs after the defenses are gone. Plus the B-52 still has very effective low level sneak in cruise missiles for use until the defenses are taken down. Not to mention the effectiveness of the cheap drones we are seeing.

 

[Tombs]

As to why we don't have a Hypersonic missile yet.

Uh... we did... Back in the ****ing 70s.

Sprint (missile) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It goes so fast it actually begins to glow.

When it comes to military capabilities we are the best and the first in pretty much every technology. Never doubt that for a second. Propaganda attempts to hide or deny this fact often.

Our current known ICBM interceptor runs mach 8.2 making it hypersonic as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense

Also we have stealth cruise missiles that can be mass fired from B2s.

 

[BigMoose]

Any ICBM is in effect, Hypersonic.

 

[Tombs]

Any ICBM is in effect, Hypersonic.

Yes.

Those systems aren't reentry vehicles though. They're ground fired intercept missiles for stopping an ICBM attack.

The sprint, for instance, accelerates at 100g up to mach 10 lol.

 

[BigMoose]

Yes.

Those systems aren't reentry vehicles though. They're ground fired intercept missiles for stopping an ICBM attack.

The sprint, for instance, accelerates at 100g up to mach 10 lol.

Yes, well the point is. I agree with you. US isn't lagging anyone in capabilities. Do they currently run a flashy hypersonic bomber launched missile, no. But the Russians don't exactly have anything like a B2 bomber, which can GO to the target and not be seen and drop a bomb.

Also, in short above. I was pointing out the Russians are burning defense money on flashy "prestige" weapons, and not the basics.

 

[Tombs]

Yes, well the point is. I agree with you. US isn't lagging anyone in capabilities. Do they currently run a flashy hypersonic bomber launched missile, no. But the Russians don't exactly have anything like a B2 bomber, which can GO to the target and not be seen and drop a bomb.

Also, in short above. I was pointing out the Russians are burning defense money on flashy "prestige" weapons, and not the basics.

Russia's primary goal is defense against cold war era threats from the west. That's where pretty much all the money was spent.

So ICBMs, nukes, and means of intercepting nuclear bombers. Everything else is kind of far behind.

Their conventional offensive capabilities are pretty lacking. But if we were to attack them with conventional warfare, they probably wouldn't seem quite as inept.

 

[smokingman]

1: We continually see AK-12s captured that have all sorts of rails for attachments. And its rare to see any attachments on them. So in effect its no better then the AK-74 that it effectively replaced.
2: Photos have been posted on the food being fed to Russian troops. Its expired by more then a few years. Videos have been posted. And it's not like US MRE expired ether.. Where its probably still good. Russian field rations are more like a box lunch.

I have to call BS on the video. Look at his boots,his cloths,his knife,his rifle,and last the grass. Most of Ukraine still has some snow cover(not green grass). Everything that guy has looks brand new,even his uniform and patches. Not a single speck of dirt anywhere. Even his boots are clean. But he managed to capture a box of Russian MRE,that has a box that looks better than when amazon delivers lol. So yea,calling BS.

 

[BigMoose]

I have to call BS on the video. Look at his boots,his cloths,his knife,his rifle,and last the grass. Most of Ukraine still has some snow cover(not green grass). Everything that guy has looks brand new,even his uniform and patches. Not a single speck of dirt anywhere. Even his boots are polished. But he managed to capture a box of Russian MRE,that has a box that looks better than when amazon delivers lol. So yea,calling BS.

Not the only video I have seen. Also its from the start of the war 19 days ago. It snowed not long after that.

 

[BigMoose]

Tractors.. lol

 

[smokingman]

Not the only video I have seen. Also its from the start of the war 19 days ago. It snowed not long after that.

It has been snowing in most of Ukraine,since September.Southern Ukraine is still north of Minneapolis and Fargo,most of Ukraine would be closer to Winnepeg Canada in latitude.


Live view from Mariupol in Ukraine.
https://www.webcamtaxi.com/en/ukraine/mykolaivska-oblast/mykolaiv-city-centre.html

 

[BigMoose]

It may or may not be real, but I have seen others.. and seen enough AK-12s with nothing on them, and seen enough Russian vehicles run out of fuel to have more then enough proof the Russians have ill equipped troops with logistical issues.

Things are getting gory.. im seeing a lot of videos of some gory Russian losses, along with a few Ukrainian losses too.

 

[Thor]

Russia is not waging a war so much as it is waging genocide against the Ukrainians.

A valid war strategy takes strategic objectives, Russia is trying to depopulate population centers by focusing on cities.

I think a new American Volunteer Group is in order...maybe some retired pilots with A-10s

 

[BigMoose]

Russia is not waging a war so much as it is waging genocide against the Ukrainians.

A valid war strategy takes strategic objectives, Russia is trying to depopulate population centers by focusing on cities.

I think an American Volunteer unit it in order.

The next phase worries me, There are rumors that a push could come from far western Belarus into far western Ukraine.. this is dangerously close to Nato borders.

 

[Sylvain]

So why not roll it out at the outset, rather than after your conventional forces have been stymied?

I assume Putin thought his conventional forces would be more capable than they are, and that the Ukrainian forces would not show much resistance.

The Ukrainian army is ranked sometimes like 22nd in term of fire power, compared to number 2 for Russia.
On paper it should have been a walk in the park.

As the west is showing more support towards Ukraine, and sending them more and more weapons, I guess Putin has to remind everyone that he has access to those high-tech weapons.

Just my thoughts, I'm not on Putin's head.

 

[Sylvain]

Russia is not waging a war so much as it is waging genocide against the Ukrainians.

A valid war strategy takes strategic objectives, Russia is trying to depopulate population centers by focusing on cities.

I think a new American Volunteer Group is in order...maybe some retired pilots with A-10s

Do they let you keep your A-10 when you retire?

 

[Principal Skinr]

Of all the combat videos I've seen out of Ukraine, only a few showed any snow, and it wasn't much. Even the Russian propaganda videos, such as taking an airfield or from attack helicopters didn't show any snow.

Whatever money they spent on basic vehicle or equipment maintenance appears to have wound up in the pockets of officers. Their trucks and light armored vehicles are blowing out tires because they are old and sat around in storage and not regularly moved. They air down for mud and start to flex and boom...they blow. Logistical problems are hindering them as much as Ukranians. They are not at all an effective offensive force. But I still wouldn't want to go up against them when they are on the defensive.

As for A-10s, as fun as that sounds, I wouldn't be caught in one unless their air defenses were completely destroyed. I'd much prefer dropping some PGM's on them from altitude in an F-35. It'll take them out just fine and I'll make it home for dinner. And they won't suffer much, either, because they will not have seen anything coming.

 

[BigMoose]

More farmers liberating stuff.

 

[BigMoose]

Whatever money they spent on basic vehicle or equipment maintenance appears to have wound up in the pockets of officers. Their trucks and light armored vehicles are blowing out tires because they are old and sat around in storage and not regularly moved. They air down for mud and start to flex and boom...they blow.

I need to find it, but I have heard the phrase "Cheap Chinese Tires" thrown around...