2022 Legislative Session Thread

[ancjr]

This bait-and-switch is why we should be disappointed in the legislative process. I guess we're an inch closer, for all that's worth.

I'm out for the night. Have a good night, all.

Thanks again.

 

[tbhausen]

I’m glad I didn’t go down there and give 10 hours of my life to these clowns, but I am so appreciative for all of you that did.

 

[ancjr]

...And @KellyinAvon and all that wrote and called.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I see this differently than you guys seem to. The committee as a whole did vote unanimously to pass it, yes.

Many said "to keep it alive"... Which means yes, it CAN be amended on the Senate floor or in conference committee. Had they voted to kill it, it would have been

"REPUBLICANS KILL PERMITLESS CARRY IN INDIANA"

So now it can be fixed on Second Reading, though I see Bray assigning Randolph and Brown from the Senate. I don't know who chairs a conference committee... my guess without researching is the member of the party in control of the house where it originates, which could well be Smaltz or Lucas, in which case the bill as we want it can go to Holcomb's desk and he can be presented with the choice of pass it/ignore it (which is the same thing in effect, no matter what it means to us re: a failure to sign being a tacit "no", even though it's not a veto. At the very worst, Smaltz controls his bill. He has the ability to withdraw it from consideration, which leaves us with the law as we have it now.

The result is still "Republicans kill Constitutional Carry in Indiana"; Someone please tell me that Roddy Bray will be primaried. More importantly, we need a Governor on OUR side, someone who tells the two Houses of our General Assembly, "Send me a bill I can be proud to sign."

Blessings,
Bill

 

[ancjr]

I see this differently than you guys seem to. The committee as a whole did vote unanimously to pass it, yes.

Many said "to keep it alive"... Which means yes, it CAN be amended on the Senate floor or in conference committee. Had they voted to kill it, it would have been

"REPUBLICANS KILL PERMITLESS CARRY IN INDIANA"

So now it can be fixed on Second Reading, though I see Bray assigning Randolph and Brown from the Senate. I don't know who chairs a conference committee... my guess without researching is the member of the party in control of the house where it originates, which could well be Smaltz or Lucas, in which case the bill as we want it can go to Holcomb's desk and he can be presented with the choice of pass it/ignore it (which is the same thing in effect, no matter what it means to us re: a failure to sign being a tacit "no", even though it's not a veto. At the very worst, Smaltz controls his bill. He has the ability to withdraw it from consideration, which leaves us with the law as we have it now.

The result is still "Republicans kill Constitutional Carry in Indiana"; Someone please tell me that Roddy Bray will be primaried. More importantly, we need a Governor on OUR side, someone who tells the two Houses of our General Assembly, "Send me a bill I can be proud to sign."

Blessings,
Bill

And thanks to you as well @Bill of Rights

Why did I feel like it was a scripted drama? That was the part I found most disheartening. But, we'll see what happens...

 

[tbhausen]

If the Senate can “un-amend” HB-1077, what was the point of amending it? It can’t be that simple. The Democrats and RINOs were gloating far too much to allow me believe that’s possible (unless they were really, really happy to be able to go home).

 

[KellyinAvon]

HB 1077 passed out of the judiciary committee 11-0 after it was amended to include the provisional license. Complete and utterly devious conduct. Skulduggery.

+1 for the use of the word "skullduggery"

 

[Bill of Rights]

If the Senate can “un-amend” HB-1077, what was the point of amending it? It can’t be that simple. The Democrats and RINOs were gloating far too much to allow me believe that’s possible (unless they were really, really happy to be able to go home).

The Dems and Brown (but I repeat myself) are playing chess. They're hoping that there isn't the political will in the chamber to remove that language and return it to the original bill. The only way they lose that bet is when the rest of the Senate sees it and says "ummmm, no." and votes to fix it. They're betting that of the 50 senators, Sen. Tomes can't get 26 to remove the Carter amendment.


Pro-tip: Never bet against Jim Tomes. You will lose.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[KellyinAvon]

I see this differently than you guys seem to. The committee as a whole did vote unanimously to pass it, yes.

Many said "to keep it alive"... Which means yes, it CAN be amended on the Senate floor or in conference committee. Had they voted to kill it, it would have been

"REPUBLICANS KILL PERMITLESS CARRY IN INDIANA"

So now it can be fixed on Second Reading, though I see Bray assigning Randolph and Brown from the Senate. I don't know who chairs a conference committee... my guess without researching is the member of the party in control of the house where it originates, which could well be Smaltz or Lucas, in which case the bill as we want it can go to Holcomb's desk and he can be presented with the choice of pass it/ignore it (which is the same thing in effect, no matter what it means to us re: a failure to sign being a tacit "no", even though it's not a veto. At the very worst, Smaltz controls his bill. He has the ability to withdraw it from consideration, which leaves us with the law as we have it now.

The result is still "Republicans kill Constitutional Carry in Indiana"; Someone please tell me that Roddy Bray will be primaried. More importantly, we need a Governor on OUR side, someone who tells the two Houses of our General Assembly, "Send me a bill I can be proud to sign."

Blessings,
Bill

Bill as always thank you for your insight and your logic. I'm a little short on both at the moment. Glad you're here to provide a "we are here" point on a messy map.

 

[BigRed]

Snakes in the grass, lying in wait the whole time. All pre-planned.

There's a snake in the garden.

 

[KellyinAvon]

From The 2A Project FB:

BREAKING NEWS: After a 9-hour hearing, the Senate Judiciary Committee just gutted HB1077 (Constitutional Carry) by amending it to remove all of the language of the existing bill and replaced it with a totally different process by which a License to Carry Handgun is still required in Indiana but there is a new process through which a person can receive an expedited "provisional" license prior to being granted a permanent license.
To achieve this result, the three Democrats on the committee were joined by three Republicans in the vote to amend the bill, committee chair Sen. Liz Brown (Ft. Wayne), Sen. Mike Bohacek (Michigan City) and Sen. Sue Glick (Angola).
The only good news is that the bill is still alive - having been passed in its original form in the House and then passed out of committee in the Senate. T2AP and the authors of HB1077 intend to author an amendment to be offered on second reading on the floor of the Senate to restore the original language of the bill, which would then be voted on by the full Senate.
This is certainly a disappointing and frustrating devopment, but we're still in the fight - and it's far from over.

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[Jeepster48439]

There's a many snakes in the garden.

FIFY.

 

[BigRed]

Just a note.

I spend much time in States observing restrictions placed upon them by their Constitution.
OK, TX, MO, WY, IA, Dakotas, etc.

Sans the lust for control, I have yet to understand these idiots of Indiana.

 

[BigRed]

FIFY.

Truth.

Good thing I have many spades.

 

[TylerPrime]

New user here.

Based on my reading of the legislature bill process, Bill of Rights is absolutely correct. An opportunity for further amendment and restoration of the original bill language may be added once again. There is still hope.

I was born and raised in California. Spent more than 30 years there. Moved here to Indiana in 2020 and in terms of gun rights this place is like paradise to me.

Keep fighting for what you want. Constitutional carry, etc.

But be thankful for what we have already. There is definitely still hope.

 

[ancjr]

New user here.

Based on my reading of the legislature bill process, Bill of Rights is absolutely correct. An opportunity for further amendment and restoration of the original bill language may be added once again. There is still hope.

I was born and raised in California. Spent more than 30 years there. Moved here to Indiana in 2020 and in terms of gun rights this place is like paradise to me.

Keep fighting for what you want. Constitutional carry, etc.

But be thankful for what we have already. There is definitely still hope.

Great first post! And Welcome to INGO and Indiana!

 

[04FXSTS]

I watched a lot of this disgusting dog and pony show, through the idiot Carter from ISP, what a tool. As most here know I moved here from Illinois at the age of 73 and living in the same house for 43 years. Guns were a big part of the move along with taxes and feeling the state is "done." I always had a republican state representative but usually a democrat senator, just the way the districts were gerrymandered.
Watching this **** show yesterday was like being back in Illinois. The democrats just open their mouth and stupid runs out like **** through a tin horn. Of course that is to be expected, the only question is "just how stupid are they?"
Liz Brown would fit in just fine with the Illinois RINOs, they would be proud to have her. You could see the hostility ooze out of her toward the "pro" speakers and then change to being helpfull to the anti's. She needs to be gone but I am nowhere near her district so can't vote against her.
I have said I will never vote for a democrat again as long as I live but would make an exceptian in her case. The primary is the time to cull the herd but there are some RINOs that are bad enough they should be gone even if it puts a democrat in office. Like someone said earlier in this thread get her out even if it means putting in a democrat for a term. Then make sure she and the other RINOs know why, these RINO's I think have become complacent thinking there is no way they will be voted out.
Election time advertising "We don't want the democrat but we will not tolerate a RINO any longer." Even if we don't get them out but they have a close primary and/or general election it will send a message. A close race means spending more campaign money while having less coming in, that hurts. Jim.

 

[jwamplerusa]

I am... disgusted.

The degree of deceipt evident in what occurred yesterday is truly astounding. I meant what I wrote earlier, with "friends" such as the R's on the Senate Judiciary committee, we do not need enemies.

I will retain some hope, though fading, that the amended Bill can be corrected in conference. Frankly however; I suspect the Indiana Senate is so filled with RINOs on this subject that a Bill corrected back to the original text might well fail in the full Senate.

It is terribly obvious that Gov. Holcomb should NEVER be elected to office under any banner which purports to respect the Constitution of Indiana or these United States. He might as well be a D on this issue, and many others, as we have witnessed over the last two years.

I was not able to watch Superintendent Carter's testimony. I may go back and watch it however; in an effort to understand on what basis he believes the current permitting system provides such value that it must be retained.

I am convinced though, that my position on direct election of ALL law enforcement heads, is a valid position. The stark contrast of our elected Constitutional Sheriffs, versus the appointed Police Chiefs is quite telling. Those who control the enforcement of the State's laws need to be directly accountable to we the people.

 

[KellyinAvon]

New user here.

Based on my reading of the legislature bill process, Bill of Rights is absolutely correct. An opportunity for further amendment and restoration of the original bill language may be added once again. There is still hope.

I was born and raised in California. Spent more than 30 years there. Moved here to Indiana in 2020 and in terms of gun rights this place is like paradise to me.

Keep fighting for what you want. Constitutional carry, etc.

But be thankful for what we have already. There is definitely still hope.

Welcome to Indiana and INGO Tyler! Now that's how you do a first post!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Truly disappointing.