Does this explain why we're suddenly hip deep in SoyBois and betas?

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  • ancjr

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    Wrong. If you lack the testosterone and strength to control the 1911 you are screwed…

    One of the last times I was at the indoor range a lady and her two boys rented two lanes. I'd say they were 8 & 10 if I had to guess. She loaded up the magazines for them and left them with their 1911 and went to her own lane to practice herself.
     

    1nderbeard

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    So if women on the pill are attracted to betas, how are they having children? I presume the author realizes instances of pregnancy while on the pill are exceedingly rare.

    I think it's more a sign of the overwhelming control the left has on the culture. And a sign of how afraid men are of being "called out" for being actual men.
     

    HoughMade

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    So...what are we saying?

    "Real" men can't find mates and don't have kids?

    Less masculine men...whatever you call them didn't have kids before the pill?

    Less masculine men have boys who are less masculine?

    "Real" men never have less masculine boys?

    I couldn't be anything like $$ follows less physical occupations than it did 80 years ago.

    I'd love to see some actual research. I'm open minded.
     

    Ingomike

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    Some interesting reading on this topic if you want to discuss.



    Some of you will be jealous you didn’t get to participate in this research. LOL

    “Only a handful of studies have been done to show the real-world effects of hormonal contraceptives on female attractiveness. Geoffrey Miller, professor of psychology at the University of New Mexico, found that lap dancers who were using hormonal contraceptives made about $80 dollars less a shift than non-contracepting dancers [5]. In fact, while fertile, regularly cycling lap dancers made about $20 more per hour (and about $35 more an hour than when menstruating)! This supports what we know about how the human olfactory system picks up on pheromones and subconsciously uses them to interpret attractiveness.”
     

    Ingomike

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    One of the last times I was at the indoor range a lady and her two boys rented two lanes. I'd say they were 8 & 10 if I had to guess. She loaded up the magazines for them and left them with their 1911 and went to her own lane to practice herself.
    One thing I have noticed here on INGO, even though most here are big gun enthusiasts, those near big cities have a completely different experience than those in more rural areas. Even with the big population that would be few and far between in the cities and their shadow communities.
     

    ancjr

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    One thing I have noticed here on INGO, even though most here are big gun enthusiasts, those near big cities have a completely different experience than those in more rural areas. Even with the big population that would be few and far between in the cities and their shadow communities.

    The urban environment itself invites people to separate from common sense.
     

    Ingomike

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    The urban environment itself invites people to separate from common sense.
    It does. The people are disconnected from the ground, and life cycles. Our bodies are a magnificent creation of God. Most people are so simplistic they think their nose is to smell coffee with. Men can smell a fertIle woman in a smoky bar. Women can smell proper male mates in the same smoky bar. And man can create hormones to alter Gods plan and creation.


    I am not saying birth control pills are wrong, just stating what they can do.
     

    ancjr

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    It does. The people are disconnected from the ground, and life cycles. Our bodies are a magnificent creation of God. Most people are so simplistic they think their nose is to smell coffee with. Men can smell a fertIle woman in a smoky bar. Women can smell proper male mates in the same smoky bar. And man can create hormones to alter Gods plan and creation.


    I am not saying birth control pills are wrong, just stating what they can do.

    Smokey bar? You got a time machine or live on another planet?

    :laugh6:
     

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    I'm not saying I have personally seen evidence of it, either. I grew up at a time when it represented maximal awesomeness - the ability to 'sow wild oats' with almost zero chance that they would take root

    I just can't fathom how we got from real men to dress-wearing, soy latte sipping wearers of the man bun in two generations if the pursuit of getting laid isn't part of it, so the idea that evolutionary pressures have something to do with it appeals because it should have taken a powerful mechanism to achieve what has happened
    But the question is, is this the mechanism? The posterity of a generation having less testosterone sounds very evolutionary. Is it the case that women’s breeding choices were modified by some mechanism to prefer males who had lower testosterone? Was it the pill?

    I read awhile back about researchers finding that testosterone affects attraction in both men and women. Higher testosterone levels in women make them tend to be more attracted to men with masculine faces. Higher testosterone levels in men make them tend to be more attracted to women with feminine faces.

    I think attraction is a complicated thing. If the pill affects women’s attraction to men, it’s probably only a factor and not uniquely causal. Does the pill increase decrease testosterone levels in women?
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    I think attraction is a complicated thing.

    This. Simple experiments are just that, an while the results may be interesting, one should be careful extrapolating to things not actually tested. Especially for women, doing so ignores that level of physical attractiveness is only one component of mate selection and the real world isn't picking between photo A and photo B in a vacuum.
     

    Ingomike

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    I think attraction is a complicated thing. If the pill affects women’s attraction to men, it’s probably only a factor and not uniquely causal. Does the pill increase decrease testosterone levels in women?
    It is complicated but you are missing pieces here. It is not just affecting the females, the pills women take affect men too. Did you see the lap dance post above. It is real.

    As for the lower testosterone levels there is compelling research that points to a lot of modern technology affecting testosterone levels in both sexes. EMF is one, blue light after dark is another because both disrupt melatonin production which triggers testosterone production.
     
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    Aren't most women attracted to wallets? Anybody seen Bezo's current woman? Is he alpha or beta? Is she on the pill? I don't know but I'm sure he has one heck of an attractive wallet. Pheromones might be a real thing, but there are obvious workarounds; like a corvette. Or, I suppose, hanging around until closing time and then hoping she's on the pill.
     

    Ingomike

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    This. Simple experiments are just that, an while the results may be interesting, one should be careful extrapolating to things not actually tested. Especially for women, doing so ignores that level of physical attractiveness is only one component of mate selection and the real world isn't picking between photo A and photo B in a vacuum.
    Have you ever even read on this? It has been studied for years. The monkey study (linked above) was in 1972. So it has been studied throughly for a long time. I first read of this over twenty years ago. I was interested to Neanderthal reactions when this was posted. It is like people don’t want to believe that man’s tinkering with the human body can change things…
     
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    As for the lower testosterone levels there is compelling research that points to a lot of modern technology affecting testosterone levels in both sexes. EMF is one, blue light after dark is another because both disrupt melatonin production which triggers testosterone production.
    This might be the best explanation. Stop being laborers, start pushing a pencil for a living and eating dinner from a drive through and suddenly men start getting pedicures.
     

    Ingomike

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    Aren't most women attracted to wallets? Anybody seen Bezo's current woman? Is he alpha or beta? Is she on the pill? I don't know but I'm sure he has one heck of an attractive wallet. Pheromones might be a real thing, but there are obvious workarounds; like a corvette. Or, I suppose, hanging around until closing time and then hoping she's on the pill.
    This has nothing to do with money and it itself is not attractive. Look at how many marry for money only to cheat to get satisfaction…
     

    Ingomike

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    This might be the best explanation. Stop being laborers, start pushing a pencil for a living and eating dinner from a drive through and suddenly men start getting pedicures.
    Yep. Spend every minute of the day in all kinds of frequencies looking at screens. No outdoor time, no relief from radio waves, particularly the type concentrated in cities.

    I would be interested in the T levels of those that live and work in a way they get minimal radio waves like cities have.
     
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