NYC police checking vax in resturants

[Denny347]

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I hope you're not one of those yearning for us to be MORE like europeans

I hope you aren't holding up the Germans as an exemplar of what we should be. After all they surrendered their common sense to the Greens and did away with most of their non-renewable generating capacity as well as mortgaged their souls for Russian gas. NOTHING about them is particularly worthy of emulation

Practically the whole EU, with the Germans foremost, has fallen all over themselves to surrender what few freedoms they had

We need to rescue our own freedoms. Then someday I guess we'll have to go back over there and kick ass on half of them to free the other half

Actually, as far as German Police go, I think we SHOULD be more like the German Police in our training and promotions. Maybe even in our hiring.

 

[BugI02]

I am just curious, how effective is this strategy in apprehending offenders - in other words, how many do you "lose" by waiting until later, vs. arresting them at the time? I get the strategy shift, from "symmetrical" to "asymmetrical" and it seems like it makes sense. But to the average person, this might look like a less-effective means of apprehending violators. Is it really effective to identify violators by camera, and can you get enough to arrest and convict them when you couldn't directly apprehend them in the act? It seems to me like you'd "lose" an awful lot of them because of uncertain identification.

Some of the Jan. 6 rioters are only now being apprehended a year later, and that was something with tremendous publicity exposure and Federal interest. And these were people who were not wearing masks. In some cases, it took months of social media analysis, and in some cases being "outed" by a family member to seal the arrest. If they were serial violators who repeatedly offended and were clearly identifiable, sure, but the minute they start putting on masks, it seems like the effectiveness of this would go way down, where success is defined as actually getting people in jail (ie, the "Archie Bunker" definition of success, incarcerating bad people, as opposed to the "Department of Public Safety Director" definition of success, which might be "we didn't get any bad press today.")

Kent State put a real damper on 'protesters' rioting, burning **** and confronting the available forces of order - just saying

 

[Timjoebillybob]

As I stated in my response above to Jetta it has to be in an adult and civil manner.
I have had way more direct dealings with LEO that I care to admit and want to remember but I led a full throttle hair on fire existence that seemed to be OJK at that time but came at a price. 99% of those situations ended well and sometimes a hand shake due to the give and take. The couple that did not were on me. Well mostly. You kick the bear hard enough and you will get mauled. It is a well learned lesson.

This last 2 years has done more to run a wedge into the cracks and seriously divide us. I feel it is by design and from a well written play book. We have to re-write that book.

Can't really find much to disagree with. About the only thing is the "last 2 years", I'd say at least the last 10 myself. From what you've shared on this forum you have had a bit more of an interesting life than me, but my experiences have been about the same. If you're an ***, expect to be treated as an ***. Treat someone with common courtesy, expect the same. And it usually works out. There are exceptions.

Submit or submit not, there is no middle ground (apologies to Yoda)

Perhaps those people were trying to make a point; you know, that this is still a free-ish country and 'Papieren, bitte' isn't going to fly

If you want out of this without bloodshed, it is going to have to be massive disobedience - everywhere, all the time. As they say, 'be ungovernable'

Himmler probably thought the actual real ass resistance was a dick move, too

Who said anything about submitting? Just discussing different ways of expressing displeasure.

Have you ever been asked for ID for alcohol/cigarettes/etc? Did you provide it or throw a temper tantrum? How about cold medicine? Not only do you have to show ID but the store has to record all the info and report it to the state.

 

[drillsgt]

Can't really find much to disagree with. About the only thing is the "last 2 years", I'd say at least the last 10 myself. From what you've shared on this forum you have had a bit more of an interesting life than me, but my experiences have been about the same. If you're an ***, expect to be treated as an ***. Treat someone with common courtesy, expect the same. And it usually works out. There are exceptions.


Who said anything about submitting? Just discussing different ways of expressing displeasure.

Have you ever been asked for ID for alcohol/cigarettes/etc? Did you provide it or throw a temper tantrum? How about cold medicine? Not only do you have to show ID but the store has to record all the info and report it to the state.

Yeah, not quite the same thing. In these mandate vax card cities without your papers you never get a chance to even get in and try to buy the cold medicine.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Yeah, not quite the same thing. In these mandate vax card cities without your papers you never get a chance to even get in and try to buy the cold medicine.

I'll have to disagree. State/city says businesses have to require this before that. Are you going to blame your local pharmacy for calling the police for someone who demands they sell them sudafed without an ID and refuses to leave when asked? Are you going to blame the police when they respond?

Not saying I agree with either requirment, but can't blame the businesses for trying to stay in business or the police who are ejecting people who can't handle it.

 

[buckwacker]

No. That is not how trespass charge works. Your morality isn't applicable. An officer does not get to decide if your business rules are moral before enforcing your right to eject someone from your own property.

Hypothetical: what if you got a tresspass call because a bar owner wanted a black guy out because he was black?

 

[drillsgt]

I'll have to disagree. State/city says businesses have to require this before that. Are you going to blame your local pharmacy for calling the police for someone who demands they sell them sudafed without an ID and refuses to leave when asked? Are you going to blame the police when they respond?

Not saying I agree with either requirment, but can't blame the businesses for trying to stay in business or the police who are ejecting people who can't handle it.

As long as you can keep rationalizing it more power to you.

 

[buckwacker]

Here's the thing - if that's how you act, servers everywhere would rather you stay home.

You don't understand irony, do you?

 

[jsharmon7]

You are saying if someone does x they are a **** by making that move. I don’t like to be called that either directly or by innuendo.

I just have a different opinion and believe letting the servers or bell ringer’s know to tell those up-chain what my opinion on the issue is the right thing to do. Now berating them is not right either.

Nobody is sending it up the chain that you said you were unhappy about a political stance. They say “oh, ok” and then move on to the next person. The bigger the company, the less they care. Working customer service years ago taught me a lot about how things really work.

If it makes you feel better, then by all means have at it.

 

[Denny347]

Hypothetical: what if you got a tresspass call because a bar owner wanted a black guy out because he was black?

I 100% do not care what their reasons are. It's not my job to care. I have been called to questionable runs like your example. I seem to have a superpower that helps a lot, the gift of gab. While I may be called to a trespass, actually having to make the arrest is exceedingly rare. Having an honest conversation with my "suspect" usually is more than enough to resolve the issue without arrest. I may agree that the owner is a racist POS and state as much to my "suspect" but nowhere in the State statute for trespass does that factor in. That is for a civil jury to decide when the "suspect" sues the owner. Of which I tell them I will gladly be a witness for them. But AT THAT MOMENT, I have to deal with the issue at hand...the trespass.

 

[Shadow01]

Is there a law requiring to get in the train like there is for trespassing?
Appreciate the contribution, but purple doesn't give a pass for lack of critical thinking.

History is lost on you, isn’t it? Sad.

 

[drillsgt]

History is lost on you, isn’t it? Sad.

I mean as long as it's a law then everything's ok lol.

 

[JettaKnight]

This last 2 years has done more to run a wedge into the cracks and seriously divide us. I feel it is by design and from a well written play book. We have to re-write that book.

I'm just not sure who's design it is.


Not to get preachy, but I just try to live by God's playbook.

 

[JettaKnight]

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I hope you're not one of those yearning for us to be MORE like europeans

I hope you aren't holding up the Germans as an exemplar of what we should be. After all they surrendered their common sense to the Greens and did away with most of their non-renewable generating capacity as well as mortgaged their souls for Russian gas. NOTHING about them is particularly worthy of emulation

Practically the whole EU, with the Germans foremost, has fallen all over themselves to surrender what few freedoms they had

We need to rescue our own freedoms. Then someday I guess we'll have to go back over there and kick ass on half of them to free the other half

Of course I'm not.

I'm just telling you what I experienced in the five days I was there two weeks ago.


The old man that checked my papers at the Stasi prison was once a prisoner there for ten months; that place is hellish. I believe that he knows what true repression is like and how to avoid it (and when to fight).


FWIW, post-Brexit, the rest of the EU seems to be questioning the value of the EU as it's now dominating their lives.

 

[JTScribe]

Please address the point about why police even have the time to respond to such a complaint when they claim they don't have the time to respond to much more serious complaints such as property crime

I think there is missing information here. Likely the restauranteur is connected in order to get such a complaint even taken seriously or TPTB wanted to send a message

Obviously NYPD has solved every other crime on the docket if they can spare nine officers to assist in kicking a five-year old out of an Applebee's. It is truly a utopia.

 

[churchmouse]

I'm just not sure who's design it is.


Not to get preachy, but I just try to live by God's playbook.

We all do if we care for our fellow man, but do you not see that in a year of the worst election fraud in the history (that I have seen) of this country and using the Covid to do it that there is not a plan in all of this. It might be an on the fly thing but it is done to plan. They (whomever they really are) have tried every angle possible to undermine our basic freedoms and when this was pushed to the fore it was the perfect opportunity to get the Sheeple lined up and marching in lock step to unset the president and the original 15 or so days have turned into a fracking nightmare.
In light of all the evidence to the contrary they continue to push the agenda (get Vaxed) and the narrative of control. But there is just enough mush brained weak kneed people out there it has worked. Our entire supply chain has been disrupted by free sit at home money. No one wants to work anymore. We have lost all the ground we gained after "O"s Bravo Sierra and brother it is by design. Failing to see this or just not wanting to is no longer acceptable. We have to push back which is what got us into this area of our discussion in the 1st place. Pushing back.

Example......I am in Chemotherapy. My spouse has to take me through the hospital as I have lost so much muscle mass, I require a wheelchair to go farther than a couple hundred feet walking so she pushes me. To get into the Clinic where I receive the chemo she had to get Vaxxed much to her not wanting too. Funny thing is I do not have to be vaxxed. WTAF peoples. Where is the consistency in this?
Even the staff in the clinic does not understand.
None of this makes any real sense anymore once we pulled back the green curtain and saw the little man preaching his gospel. It is a total lie.

Not for me to get all preachy or anything but I feel very strongly about this.

 

[churchmouse]

As we all seem to be getting a bit revved up on this topic (and yes, I include myself) let's all take a deep breath and give it a minute. We have lost one member over this in the last 24hrs and had another member earmarked as an instigator. So, let's all just step away for a minute.

Smoke-em if you got-em

 

[Rookie]

As we all seem to be getting a bit revved up on this topic (and yes, I include myself) let's all take a deep breath and give it a minute. We have lost one member over this in the last 24hrs and had another member earmarked as an instigator. So, let's all just step away for a minute.

Smoke-em if you got-em

It's me, isn't it?

 

[KLB]

It's me, isn't it?

Isn't it always?

 

[BugI02]

FWIW, post-Brexit, the rest of the EU seems to be questioning the value of the EU as it's now dominating their lives.

Vote it in, shoot your way out

They're already too late because they're not equipped to shoot their way out

See: Australia