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  • BugI02

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    Either enforce the laws or repeal them, and the laws are not popular enough to enforce effectively.
    I always find this position reminiscent of the final chase scene in THX1138, where the robotic police are just about to catch him when their chase is terminated upon reaching 10% over budget

    I wasn't aware that actual policing was subject to a cost/benefit analysis. How much does it cost to catch and prosecute gang bangers?
     

    fullmetaljesus

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    Alcohol isn't safe, so being 'safer than alcohol' is faint praise

    Strychnine is 'safer' than cyanide, too
    I disagree. Alcohol is safe. Like everything it's about how much.

    A fire in your home is safe provided it's only in the fireplace. If it spills into the floor,couch, or Christmas tree then it's a problem.

    So a little alcohol is fine but over do it and it's not safe.
     

    BugI02

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    Just legalize it already. I don't actually think Democrats are serious about it, they take in too much pharma money. And so do Republicans.
    Do you want your pilot 'lifted' when you fly on vacation? How about your surgeon?

    How about the guy in the next lane at the range

    Are you going to rely on other organizations to promulgate rules to keep you 'safe'?
    Because that's just shifting the burden into realms even less subject to regulation and oversight
     

    Ark

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    Do you want your pilot 'lifted' when you fly on vacation? How about your surgeon?

    How about the guy in the next lane at the range

    Are you going to rely on other organizations to promulgate rules to keep you 'safe'?
    Because that's just shifting the burden into realms even less subject to regulation and oversight
    A, they could be already and probably are.

    B, we have this problem with alcohol as it is.

    C, they're liable for that whether it's legal or illegal.
     

    BugI02

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    I disagree. Alcohol is safe. Like everything it's about how much.

    A fire in your home is safe provided it's only in the fireplace. If it spills into the floor,couch, or Christmas tree then it's a problem.

    So a little alcohol is fine but over do it and it's not safe.
    You are making my point

    'Alcohol is safe [except: insert conditions and restrictions]' lolz

    Fentanyl is safe if you don't ingest or inject it, but it is far from safe
     
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    Do you want your pilot 'lifted' when you fly on vacation? How about your surgeon?

    How about the guy in the next lane at the range

    Are you going to rely on other organizations to promulgate rules to keep you 'safe'?
    Because that's just shifting the burden into realms even less subject to regulation and oversight
    I personally would prefer that to him being drunk. Or high on Xanax both of which are legal.
     

    MCgrease08

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    Do you want your pilot 'lifted' when you fly on vacation? How about your surgeon?

    How about the guy in the next lane at the range

    Are you going to rely on other organizations to promulgate rules to keep you 'safe'?
    Because that's just shifting the burden into realms even less subject to regulation and oversight
    If there's one thing we know for sure, it's that laws prevent people from imbibing.

    Criminals ignore gun laws. People drive without insurance. Abusive husbands beat their wives. Laws almost never prevent an action, what they do is punish people after the fact.

    It seems like any harm that stems from someone doing something reckless after smoking pot could be handled by existing law, not a blanket prohibition.
     

    pokersamurai

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    The “war on drugs” (including marijuana) has been about as successful as prohibition. It has done little to discourage drug use, while at the same time putting a lot of people in prison (which the taxpayers have to pay for) and allowing criminal organizations to make obscene amounts of money selling drugs.

    The Gov needs to decriminalize all drug use, at that point capitalism can take over and companies can compete which will both make drugs safer and add a large amount of money to the US economy.
     

    BugI02

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    So, libertarians all about the 1A, 2A and 4A rights until democrats throw a dime bag on the table?

    Bringing new meaning to 'mess o'POTtage
     

    BugI02

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    It seems like any harm that stems from someone doing something reckless after smoking pot could be handled by existing law, not a blanket prohibition.
    And there's the rub. Is anyone advocating for a package of well thought out restrictions on imbibing to be advanced simultaneously? Or are the dems just after the libertarian stoner vote?

    Has anyone even mentioned standards for OMVI or how to test for it, or is it just legalize it and let someone else worry about that. How can non-existent existing law handle any problems
     

    indyblue

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    You are making my point

    'Alcohol is safe [except: insert conditions and restrictions]' lolz

    Fentanyl is safe if you don't ingest or inject it, but it is far from safe
    Is there any known unsafe (as in toxic, not effect) level of THC use? I've never heard of anyone overdosing on it by itself.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    I always find this position reminiscent of the final chase scene in THX1138, where the robotic police are just about to catch him when their chase is terminated upon reaching 10% over budget

    I wasn't aware that actual policing was subject to a cost/benefit analysis. How much does it cost to catch and prosecute gang bangers?

    Of course it's subject to cost/benefit analysis. Do you think our budget and manpower is infinite? As a field sergeant, I constantly weighed cost/benefit not just in terms of cost but in terms of risk. Risk to my officers and to the citizens.

    Regardless, what's the point of making an arrest for something that's not going to be prosecuted? What's the point of prosecuting something that won't be punished? You could quite literally fill the county jail with pot smokers and not make a dent in use.

    You're coming at this from an idealistic standpoint. Keeping it illegal is a symbol of disapproval. I understand. However keeping it illegal is useless from a realistic standpoint and not enforcing the law while huge swathes of the population both break it and don't support it reduces respect for laws and law enforcement overall.
     

    Ingomike

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    You don't think there could be an anti-decadence voting faction that sees encouraging young people to fritter away their lives getting high as perhaps a low percentage move?

    Have not seen evidence of any significant organization as such…
     
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    fullmetaljesus

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    Do you want your pilot 'lifted' when you fly on vacation? How about your surgeon?

    How about the guy in the next lane at the range

    Are you going to rely on other organizations to promulgate rules to keep you 'safe'?
    Because that's just shifting the burden into realms even less subject to regulation and oversight

    More times than not I smell more weed at the range than I smell gun powder.

    So that's already a thing.
     
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